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  15. <description>The life and times of 18th to early 20th century Coastguards and their families serving the Irish Coastline.</description>
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  22. <description>It&amp;#39;s been a long time since I visited this site. I wonder if there is any more information on Thomas Griffith and of James Lyons my gt grandfather who married Thomas Griffiths&amp;#39; s daughter, Sophia , on 2nd June 1859. I have been unable to trace my ancestry beck further than my gt grandfather and wonder if perhapd he may also have served in the Coastguard service which would be a way through which he could have met. Sophia . My email is leslielyons47@gmail.com</description>
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  32. <description>I have an ancestor (Philip Foot) who was moved from Seven Heads to Sandy Cove in 1822.  I have been looking through the Establishment Books to track his career.  &lt;br /&gt;
  33. There is an entry in ADM175/14 (Ireland 1820-1822] for Sandy Cove as a sub-heading under Old Head of Kinsale (Folio 13) and Philip is there.  Then in ADM175/16 which covers later dates, Sandy Cove has its own page, though also sharing the name Upper Cove in the box at the top of the page as name of Preventive Station (Philip is here too).  &lt;br /&gt;
  34. When he moves on in 1829 to Roberts Cove the entry states that he was transferred from Upper Cove .&lt;br /&gt;
  35. I notice in the list of stations in this web site that Sandy Cove is named as a place rather than a Preventive Station, so I am wondering if it was informally named/formed at the inception of the coastguard service and later formally renamed Upper Cove?</description>
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  45. <description>Thanks Martin.  Good to know that my brain is still working OK.  That is most helpful.&lt;br /&gt;
  46. Wendy</description>
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  56. <description>Hi Wendy, you have not imagined it. It was standard proceedure to rotate CG men for the reasons you state. This would also happen if a CG man married a local girl.&lt;br /&gt;
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  68. <description>I have a recollection that somewhere I once read that in the early days of the Coast Guard service, when detection and prevention of smuggling was a major aim of the service, postings of staff were regularly rotated to prevent officers becoming too familiar with the local populace and thus more susceptible to involvement in smuggling.   &lt;br /&gt;
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  70. Is this correct or have I just imagined it?!!&lt;br /&gt;
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  72. Any information welcomed.</description>
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  82. <description>Hello Martin&lt;br /&gt;
  83. This is now 18 years later. Bryan died 2018.&lt;br /&gt;
  84. However, he was looking for Sydney Sparks, his grandfather, my great grandfather.&lt;br /&gt;
  85. Stationed in Buncrana 1906-1911. Entry in the 1911 census. Petty Officer Class 2. Photo tagged as Buncrana station Sparks.&lt;br /&gt;
  86. Thank you for offering to help him.</description>
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  96. <description>He&amp;#39;s one of my great grandfather&amp;#39;s too. On my mother&amp;#39;s side of the family.</description>
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  106. <description>Hi Annette and Veronica, It appears that I am also one of your distant relatives. Joseph Ward and Margaret, nee Johnson, are my Great-great-great Grandparents through their daughter, Jane Lyons, nee Ward.&lt;br /&gt;
  107. I have been searching for a death or burial for him for many years. I always presumed that he would have died in Australia, specifically Ballarat, where his wife and much of his family lived. It took me some time to differentiate between Joseph and his like-named son who was drowned in a pool in Geelong when he was only 42. Joseph Jnr was the Mine Manager of a large Ballarat gold mine. Margaret&amp;#39;s Death Notice mentions both her husband&amp;#39;s Coast Guard Service and her son being the Mine Manager.&lt;br /&gt;
  108. Perhaps Joseph&amp;#39;s Service Record, mentioned in this forum, will lead me closer to a record of his death! As for the  National Archives Records, I am clearly a rank beginner, as I was unable to find those records of Joseph Ward. &lt;br /&gt;
  109. Thanks for this wonderful site. Elizabeth Fleming</description>
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  119. <description>Dear Anne,&lt;br /&gt;
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  121. Thomas Borrow was my mother&amp;#39;s grandfather. She still owns the clock that he was presented with to commemorate his role in the rescue.. I will email a photograph of the brass plate to you. You and I may well be cousins in some way?&lt;br /&gt;
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  125. Nick Parsons.</description>
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  135. <description>My Grandmother Mary Ellen Flynn was born there just after the 1901 census. After his service Maurice moved in with his father in law in Ringaskiddy  after retiring. Maurice died 1n 1912 following a shipyard accident. Mary Ellen married Robert Livesey, they emigrated to the US in 1926. I went down to the cove in 2010.</description>
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  145. <description>Regarding the origin of the name Verling, MacLysaghts The Surnames of Ireland says - This name (the Anglo-Saxon Feorthling) has for many centuries been associated with Co. Cork.  So its been around in Ireland for hundreds of years but was probably brought to Cork by someone from England, perhaps around the times of the Anglo Norman invasion (mid 1100s).</description>
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  155. <description>Hi Olivia, no problem.&lt;br /&gt;
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  157. To the best of my knowledge there are no specific records for CG Stations after 1870, however, you could look at the 1901 &amp;amp; 1911 Irish census&amp;#39;, but this still leaves you with a 30 year gap I&amp;#39;m afraid.&lt;br /&gt;
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  159. Martin</description>
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  169. <description>Hi Martin&lt;br /&gt;
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  171. I forgot to tick the Track button, so I&amp;#39;m only reading your reply now! &lt;br /&gt;
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  173. Since I&amp;#39;m researching a particular Coastguard Station I need to see the records for that Station in order to get the names of the Coastguards there. Are there no records for the period after that covered by ADM175?&lt;br /&gt;
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  176. Olivia</description>
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  186. <description>Hi Olivia&lt;br /&gt;
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  188. While the ADM 175 series of records ends in the late 1870&amp;#39;s a man&amp;#39;s career can still be followed using the main Naval Service Records in ADM 139 or ADM 188, both of which can be searched and downloaded for free from the National Archives website - to access them for free you first need to register, which is very easy.&lt;br /&gt;
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  190. Martin</description>
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  200. <description>I have the Irish records from the ADM 175 Series at Kew Archives.  The records for Coastguard Stations, Vessels and Districts seem to end in the late 1870s.  I am wondering does anyone here know if records beyond 1870s exist anywhere, and if so where?&lt;br /&gt;
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  202. Any information appreciated.&lt;br /&gt;
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  206. Olivia</description>
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  216. <description>[quote][url=https://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=4824&amp;amp;pid=7951#post_7951][b]crimea1854 wrote:[/b][/url]&lt;br /&gt;
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  218. I&amp;#39;m not sure if it&amp;#39;s relevant, but the following a list of those men serving at Dunny Cove at the time who saw service during the Crimean War.&lt;br /&gt;
  219. [b]Robert Herd[/b] - HMS Duke of Wellington - Baltic Medal (he was already in possession of the Naval General Service Medal with Syria clasp for service on HMS Powerful)&lt;br /&gt;
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  221. Martin[/quote]&lt;br /&gt;
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  223. Haven&amp;#39;t looked at my HERD line for awhile. Always great to see your comments, thanks Martin. I was aware of the Baltic Medal but not the General Service one with the Syria clasp. &lt;br /&gt;
  224. Recently I found a New Zealand newspaper article in 1915 for Robert Herd&amp;#39;s grandson Henry Herd who was wounded in WW1. According to a newspaper article his father, grand and great grandfathers were army and naval veterans. It alleged  Robert Herd had fought in the Crimea, China War and Indian Mutiny.  So I have to amend my notes - it was the Syrian War 1840 not China. I did not know the HMS Powerful. Thank you. Gaye</description>
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  234. <description>hi my great and great great grandfathers were both coastguards in southern ireland, but i m trying to find out if the wife of my great grandfather x2  mary verling was part of the verlings that were in the navy, she was born in cobh 1836 to william verling and abbey keefe, but apart from his marriage in 1833, his name on childrens births and their marriages i cant find out who william s  parentage was, it says on his daughter mary verlings 1858 marriage that her father was william verling and he was a waterman, what does that actually mean ??, plus i was told on here a few years back that there were only 3 lots of verling families in cork, one from castlelyons, one cobh and one templerobin, does anyone have any idea whether this was all one family or completely unrelated ?, i know the castlelyons verlings were farmers and alot of the cobh verlings were in the navy, but its really annoying because though i can find lots of verling births some older than my great grandfather x 3 i cant find his, i do have a DNA match with a lady called margaret kent but she only has2 generations in her tree, one being her father john kent born 1918 died 2002 castlelyons, ancestry told me the match came from john verling 1766 and his daughter ellen verling 1813 who married james kent, i at the time did nt have ellen in my tree and i still cant find a birth for her either, but i ve put her in as the sister to my william and the DNA connection to margaret kent would be right as 4 th cousins as we share the same 4 th great grandparents, i did message this margaret but she never got back to me&lt;br /&gt;
  235. but the main thing i want to ask is if anyone would have any idea if these 3 verling families would be related and is verling an irish name even ??, thanks for reading, cathie</description>
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  245. <description>1. Lifeguard&lt;br /&gt;
  246. A lifeguard is someone who stands guard over swimmers in a pool or ocean. A lifeguard&amp;#39;s job is to ensure that people stay safe while they swim. If a person gets into trouble, the lifeguard pulls them out of the water and tries to get them back to shore safely.&lt;br /&gt;
  247. 2. Surf lifesaver&lt;br /&gt;
  248. A surf lifesaver is a person who helps others who have fallen off a boat or ship. When someone falls overboard, a surf lifesaver jumps in after them and saves their life.&lt;br /&gt;
  249. 3. Coastguard&lt;br /&gt;
  250. A coastguard watches over the sea and land borders of countries. Their job is to make sure that no illegal immigrants enter a country.&lt;br /&gt;
  251. 4. Marine safety officer&lt;br /&gt;
  252. Marine safety officers work at ports and harbors. They watch over boats and ships to make sure that they don&amp;#39;t cause any damage to themselves or other vessels.&lt;br /&gt;
  253. 5. Fireman&lt;br /&gt;
  254. Firemen put out fires. They wear special clothing to protect themselves from fire and smoke.&lt;br /&gt;
  255. 6. Police officer&lt;br /&gt;
  256. Police officers keep order in society. They arrest criminals and help people who need protection.&lt;br /&gt;
  257. 7. Firefighter&lt;br /&gt;
  258. Firefighters fight fires. They use special equipment to put out fires and save lives.</description>
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  268. <description>Martin alerted me to this thread. I would be interested to hear what happened to Ward after he retired from HM Coastguard. Is it known when or where he died for example?&lt;br /&gt;
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  270. Ward appears in my research as having won a Royal Humane Society bronze medal under the following circumstances:&lt;br /&gt;
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  272. MacDonald, Archibald RHS silver medal&lt;br /&gt;
  273. Award: On the morning of 29 July 1837, during a heavy northerly gale, a fishing boat was seen to be in great difficulties off Robert’s Cove, Bridfieldstown, Co Cork. The crew’s struggles were observed from the coastguard station and a very small boat was launched to attempt to give them assistance. However, the gale was too fierce and the boat only made it back to the cove with difficulty. Local landlord Sir Thomas Howland Roberts and Lieutenant MacDonald, who was then living in Bridfieldstown, hurried to Ringabella Bay and obtained a hooker. In this, MacDonald and five coastguards went out under close reefed sails and rescued the three man crew, just as they had almost given up hope. The rescue was brought to the attention of the RHS by Archibald MacDonald himself. The Society initially considered the circumstances at its committee meeting on 16 August 1837 and they sought clarification from Sir Thomas Roberts (see Young, 1871, p. 72, who erroneously implies Roberts was also awarded a silver medal by the RHS for this rescue) about MacDonald’s exertions on this occasion. Having received his response in due course MacDonald’s case was recommended on to their General Court. They, on 3 January 1838, granted the Society’s silver medal to MacDonald and the bronze to the five boatmen (the award being announced in among places The Hull Packet, Friday 12 January 1838). Apart from James McCarthy (who was perhaps particularised as being the senior ranking coastguard), the names of the other boatmen were omitted from the RHS Case Book. It appears that there was confusion over the other individuals involved as in June 1838 the Society noted it had received a letter from MacDonald ‘signifying that in the case 13129 the names of Mills, Jones, and Stenson were reported and to whom bronze medals had been sent instead of Ford, Ward, and Nichols. Resolved that bronze medals be sent to these last mentioned men when those already sent have been returned’ (RHS Committee Minutes, 20 June 1838). Considering the Robert’s Cove establishment books, it indicates there was a detachment from that station based at Ringabella Bay, the scene of the rescue, though they are not identified. The full Robert’s Cove establishment at the time of the rescue consisted of one Chief Officer (John Hull), one Chief Boatman (Thomas McNaughton), two Commissioned Boatmen (William Mills and James McCarthy), and eight Boatman (Patrick Desmond, William Penver, William Jenkins, Joseph Ward, Samuel Jones, William Ford, Edward Dwyer, and James Stenson). From this, three of the Boatmen involved clearly were James McCarthy, William Ford and Joseph Ward. There was an ‘Isaac Nicholls’ stationed as a Boatman at the neighbouring Crosshaven station at the time and this may have been the ‘Nichols’ previously referred to. The precise identity of the remaining coastguard rescuer is unclear, though – assuming he was based at Robert’s Cove – he is likely to be either Desmond, Penver, Jenkins or Dwyer. RHS case no. 13129. Awards in bronze to James McCarthy, William Ford, Joseph Ward, Isaac Nichols and one other Coastguard. &lt;br /&gt;
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  275. Is his medal known to survive in the family?&lt;br /&gt;
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  277. Best wishes&lt;br /&gt;
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  279. Roger Willoughby</description>
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  289. <description>Apologies, gentlemen, for the late reply, (11 years late!), to this thread. &lt;br /&gt;
  290. An old friend recently asked me to research her great grandfather, George Drysdale, for her. &lt;br /&gt;
  291. She had little info on him other than that he&amp;#39;d been awarded a medal for a rescue, along with other members of the local RNLI at Portaferry on the Ards peninsula. &lt;br /&gt;
  292. It seems he was another of the crew members with your chap, and luckily I came across an excellent site that gave me all the info my friend had asked for, including photos of the men. &lt;br /&gt;
  293. It&amp;#39;s https://www.portaferrylifeboat.com/history/history.htm; and gives details of the rescue of the &amp;#39;Croisset&amp;#39; in 1908. &lt;br /&gt;
  294. You&amp;#39;ve probably already found this info yourselves, but if not, then I hope this helps.&lt;br /&gt;
  295. Regards, &lt;br /&gt;
  296. Carol.</description>
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