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<h2 class="date"><span class="channel-name">#indieweb</span> 2025-07-11</h2>
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<div class="daymark">2025-07-11 <span class="tz">UTC</span></div><div class="line join cluster">troojg joined the channel</div><div id="t1752192448316100" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752192448316100" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:07:28+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752192448316100" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:07:28+00:00">00:07</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar" style="opacity: .20;"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org//assets/user.svg" width="20" height="20"/></div><span class=""><span class="p-nickname p-name">cophee</span></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">I liked micro.blog but monthly payment makes it hard to recommend for new people ):</span></span></div></div>
<div id="t1752192448321800" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752192448321800" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:07:28+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752192448321800" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:07:28+00:00">00:07</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar" style="opacity: .20;"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org//assets/user.svg" width="20" height="20"/></div><span class=""><span class="p-nickname p-name">cophee</span></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">@[snarfed]</span></span></div></div>
<div id="t1752192461806800" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752192461806800" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:07:41+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752192461806800" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:07:41+00:00">00:07</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar" style="opacity: .20;"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org//assets/user.svg" width="20" height="20"/></div><span class=""><span class="p-nickname p-name">cophee</span></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">even if it's cheap</span></span></div></div>
<div id="t1752192801122100" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752192801122100" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:13:21+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752192801122100" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:13:21+00:00">00:13</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar" style="opacity: .20;"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org//assets/user.svg" width="20" height="20"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://snarfed.org" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">[snarfed]</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">normalize paying for services!</span></span></div></div>
<div class="line join cluster">mateusrc and mald0r0r joined the channel</div><div id="t1752194266357400" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752194266357400" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:37:46+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752194266357400" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:37:46+00:00">00:37</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fartlung.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F02%2FIMG_9150-100x100.jpeg&sig=bf5205ec7e437b92c48d301a8696f37a67ee151da9802ae424df370e520cea23" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://artlung.com" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">[artlung]</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">100% services that are good ought to be paid for, and if you can't recommend it you can't recommend it. but also gifting accounts are a nice option for some services. and payment plans on an annual basis can mitigate things. and some services provide lifetime or other models.</span></span></div></div>
<div id="t1752194291391800" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752194291391800" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:38:11+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752194291391800" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:38:11+00:00">00:38</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fartlung.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F02%2FIMG_9150-100x100.jpeg&sig=bf5205ec7e437b92c48d301a8696f37a67ee151da9802ae424df370e520cea23" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://artlung.com" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">[artlung]</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">snarfed++ normalize paying for services that have value.</span></span></div></div>
<div id="t1752194291594900" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752194291594900" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:38:11+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752194291594900" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:38:11+00:00">00:38</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Floqi.me%2Flogo%2Floqisaur.png&sig=3571041228810c0664972bd517c3e0cb2b50fe82c7359f310bed393df91a84e0" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://loqi.me" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">Loqi</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">snarfed has 29 karma in this channel over the last year (74 in all channels)</span></span></div></div>
<div id="t1752194352957200" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752194352957200" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:39:12+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752194352957200" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:39:12+00:00">00:39</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fartlung.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F02%2FIMG_9150-100x100.jpeg&sig=bf5205ec7e437b92c48d301a8696f37a67ee151da9802ae424df370e520cea23" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://artlung.com" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">[artlung]</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">I recommended <a href="http://micro.blog" target="_blank">http://micro.blog</a> and a few other services to my brother in law just a few weeks ago. he's been traveling but I hope he kicks the tires on services and finds a match.</span></span></div></div>
<div id="t1752194372462000" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752194372462000" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:39:32+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752194372462000" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:39:32+00:00">00:39</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2Flogo.jpg&sig=fdc026586d46976e19df06a113be643ff26d1dec5e3cb4e70d23224b6b3de6d0" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://Tantek.com" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">[tantek]</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">People pay 10x for mobile phones, they can afford <a href="http://micro.blog" target="_blank">http://micro.blog</a></span></span></div></div>
<div class="line join cluster">mald0r0r joined the channel</div><div id="t1752197818660000" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752197818660000" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T01:36:58+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752197818660000" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T01:36:58+00:00">01:36</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar" style="opacity: .20;"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org//assets/user.svg" width="20" height="20"/></div><span class=""><span class="p-nickname p-name">veqq</span></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">Good luck to you and your brother!</span></span></div></div>
<div class="line join cluster">kebokyo, Owal, mald0r0r, [0x3b0b] and milkii joined the channel</div><div id="t1752203842032200" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752203842032200" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T03:17:22+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752203842032200" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T03:17:22+00:00">03:17</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmat.tl%2Fimg%2Fmattl.png&sig=3baa9eea4b901261eba9345857e842a0fc803ac63883e93d9e9a3b5b352183c4" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://mat.tl" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">[mattl]</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">I do wonder about pricing in other countries/economies. Steam prices games differently per region but those purchases are tied to the account.</span></span></div></div>
<div class="line join cluster">mald0r0r, kebokyo, [benji], [aciccarello], geoffo, bterry2 and [morganm] joined the channel</div><div id="t1752207918316800" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752207918316800" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T04:25:18+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752207918316800" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T04:25:18+00:00">04:25</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Floqi.me%2Flogo%2Floqisaur.png&sig=3571041228810c0664972bd517c3e0cb2b50fe82c7359f310bed393df91a84e0" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://loqi.me" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">Loqi</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">[indienews] New post: "RSS is (not) dead (yet)" <a href="https://audmcname.com/comics/rss-is-not-dead-yet/" target="_blank">https://audmcname.com/comics/rss-is-not-dead-yet/</a> (from <a href="https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/chatter/12630-RSS-is-not-dead-yet" target="_blank">https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/chatter/12630-RSS-is-not-dead-yet</a>)</span></span></div></div>
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<input type="text" id="message" autocomplete="off" />
<span id="notify_control" class="hidden">
<button type="button" id="notify_btn">Enable Notifications</button>
</span>
</div>
<div id="irc_notice" class="hidden"><div class="pad">
<button type="button" class="close" id="close_notice_btn">×</button>
<span class="nick" id="irc_notice_nick"></span>
<span class="text" id="irc_notice_text"></span>
</div></div>
<style type="text/css">
.hidden {
display: none;
}
#join_prompt button {
padding: 4px;
font-size: 15px;
background: #94dfef;
border: 1px #78cee1 solid;
border-radius: 4px;
}
#notify_control button {
font-size: 15px;
background: #ccc;
border: 1px #999 solid;
border-radius: 4px;
float:right;
}
#notify_control button.enabled {
border: 1px #78cee1 solid;
background: #94dfef;
}
#connection_status_field {
width: 300px;
}
#message {
font-size: 15px;
width: 400px;
}
#irc_notice {
position: absolute;
bottom: 60px;
left: 20px;
background: #f2dede;
border: 2px #ebccd1 solid;
color: #a94442;
border-radius: 4px;
}
#irc_notice .pad {
margin: 15px;
}
#irc_notice .nick {
font-weight: bold;
}
#irc_notice .close {
position: relative;
top: -6px;
right: -9px;
border: 0;
float: right;
cursor: pointer;
background: 0 0;
-webkit-appearance: none;
font-size: 21px;
font-weight: 700;
line-height: 1;
color: #000;
text-shadow: 0 1px 0 #fff;
opacity: 0.2;
font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
}
#irc_notice .close:hover {
opacity: 0.5;
}
</style>
<script>
document.getElementById('close_notice_btn').addEventListener('click', function(){
document.getElementById('irc_notice').classList.add('hidden');
});
var join_btn = document.getElementById('join_btn');
var notify_btn = document.getElementById('notify_btn');
var message_box = document.getElementById('message');
var nick_field = document.getElementById('nickname');
var status_field = document.getElementById('connection_status_field');
var notify = false;
var nickname;
var nickname_regex = null;
var nickname_self_regex = null;
var connected = false;
var chat_session = false;
join_btn.addEventListener('click', function(){
document.getElementById('join_prompt').classList.add('hidden');
document.getElementById('signin').classList.remove('hidden');
document.querySelector('.logs').classList.add('active-chat');
if(get_nick_from_cookie()) {
nick_field.value = get_nick_from_cookie();
}
nick_field.focus();
window.scrollTo(0,document.body.offsetHeight);
var nick_key_listener = function(e) {
if(e.keyCode == 13) {
if(!connected) {
show_notice("connecting...","connecting to the chat room...");
}
}
};
nick_field.addEventListener("keypress", nick_key_listener);
});
notify_btn.addEventListener('click', function(){
if(notify){
notify = false;
notify_btn.classList.remove('enabled');
notify_btn.innerHTML = 'Enabled Notifications';
} else {
if (!("Notification" in window)) {
alert("Notifications not supported on this browser.");
} else if (Notification.permission === "granted") {
notify = true;
notify_btn.classList.add('enabled');
notify_btn.innerHTML = 'Disable Notifications';
} else if (Notification.permission !== 'denied') {
Notification.requestPermission(function (permission) {
if (permission === "granted") {
notify = true;
notify_btn.classList.add('enabled');
notify_btn.innerHTML = 'Disable Notifications';
}
});
}
}
});
nick_field.addEventListener('keypress', function(e){
if(e.keyCode == 13) {
set_nick(nick_field.value);
document.getElementById('message').focus();
join(nickname);
activate_chat_field();
}
});
function activate_chat_field() {
document.getElementById('signin').classList.add('hidden');
document.getElementById('chat').classList.remove('hidden');
document.querySelector('.logs').classList.add('active-chat');
var message_key_listener = function(e) {
if(e.keyCode == 13) {
console.log("Sending to IRC: "+message_box.value);
if(!connected) {
show_notice("connecting...","connecting to the chat room...");
}
send(message_box.value);
}
};
message_box.addEventListener("keypress", message_key_listener);
}
function get_nick_from_cookie() {
return Cookies.get("nickname");
}
function set_nick(nick) {
nickname = nick;
nickname_regex = new RegExp(nickname, "i");
nickname_self_regex = new RegExp('^# \\d\\d:\\d\\d \\[?'+nickname, "i");
Cookies.set("nickname", nickname);
}
function get_session_from_cookie() {
return Cookies.get("gatewaysession");
}
function set_session(session) {
chat_session = session;
Cookies.set("gatewaysession", session);
}
function show_notice(nick, text) {
document.getElementById('irc_notice').classList.remove('hidden');
document.getElementById('irc_notice_nick').innerHTML = nick;
document.getElementById('irc_notice_text').innerHTML = text;
}
function hide_notice() {
document.getElementById('irc_notice').classList.add('hidden');
document.getElementById('irc_notice_nick').innerHTML = "";
document.getElementById('irc_notice_text').innerHTML = "";
}
function check_alert(data){
if(!connected) {
console.log("Not connected. Got text: ");
console.log(data);
if(data.nick == nickname) {
connected = true;
console.log("Connected");
hide_notice();
}
}
if(notify){
if(data.line.match(nickname_regex) && data.nick != nickname) {
if (!("Notification" in window)) {
console.log("Notifications not supported on this browser.");
} else if (Notification.permission === "granted") {
var notification = new Notification(text);
} else if (Notification.permission !== 'denied') {
Notification.requestPermission();
}
}
}
}
function send(text) {
xhr = new XMLHttpRequest();
xhr.open('POST', encodeURI('/send.php?action=input'));
xhr.setRequestHeader('Content-Type', 'application/x-www-form-urlencoded');
xhr.onload = function() {
var response = JSON.parse(xhr.responseText);
if (xhr.status === 200 && response.username) {
console.log("sent");
message_box.value = '';
}
else {
alert('Request failed: ' + response.error);
}
};
xhr.send('user_name=' + encodeURIComponent(nickname)
+ '&text=' + encodeURIComponent(text)
+ '&session=' + encodeURIComponent(chat_session)
+ '&channel=' + encodeURIComponent(document.getElementById('active-channel').value));
}
function join(nick) {
xhr = new XMLHttpRequest();
xhr.open('POST', encodeURI('/send.php?action=join'));
xhr.setRequestHeader('Content-Type', 'application/x-www-form-urlencoded');
xhr.onload = function() {
console.log("Got status "+xhr.status);
var response = JSON.parse(xhr.responseText);
console.log(response);
if (response.status=="connecting") {
console.log("connecting...");
set_session(response.session);
} else if(response.status=="connected") {
connected = true;
console.log("connected");
set_session(response.session);
hide_notice();
} else {
alert('Request failed. Returned status of ' + xhr.status);
}
};
xhr.send('user_name=' + encodeURIComponent(nickname) + '&channel=' + encodeURIComponent(document.getElementById('active-channel').value));
}
// Check if there is an active session in the cookie
if(chat_session=get_session_from_cookie()) {
xhr = new XMLHttpRequest();
xhr.open('POST', encodeURI('/send.php?action=session'));
xhr.setRequestHeader('Content-Type', 'application/x-www-form-urlencoded');
xhr.onload = function() {
var response = JSON.parse(xhr.responseText);
if(response && response.username) {
set_nick(response.username);
connected = true;
hide_notice();
document.getElementById('join_prompt').classList.add('hidden');
document.getElementById('signin').classList.add('hidden');
document.getElementById('chat').classList.remove('hidden');
activate_chat_field();
window.scrollTo(0,document.body.offsetHeight);
} else {
set_session("");
}
}
xhr.send('session=' + encodeURIComponent(chat_session));
}
</script>
<div class="clear"></div>
</div>
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if(window.location.hash && window.location.hash != '#top' && window.location.hash != '#bottom') {
var n = document.getElementById(window.location.hash.replace('#',''));
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}
window.addEventListener("hashchange", function(){
var n = document.getElementsByClassName('line');
Array.prototype.filter.call(n, function(el){ el.classList.remove('hilite') });
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