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$(ch).addClass('activity'); } }); channel_read($("#active-channel").val());});</script><main> <h2 class="date"><span class="channel-name">#indieweb</span> 2025-07-11</h2> <div class="logs"> <div id="log-lines"> <div class="daymark">2025-07-11 <span class="tz">UTC</span></div><div class="line join cluster">troojg joined the channel</div><div id="t1752192448316100" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752192448316100" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:07:28+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752192448316100" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:07:28+00:00">00:07</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar" style="opacity: .20;"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org//assets/user.svg" width="20" height="20"/></div><span class=""><span class="p-nickname p-name">cophee</span></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">I liked micro.blog but monthly payment makes it hard to recommend for new people ):</span></span></div></div> <div id="t1752192448321800" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752192448321800" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:07:28+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752192448321800" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:07:28+00:00">00:07</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar" style="opacity: .20;"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org//assets/user.svg" width="20" height="20"/></div><span class=""><span class="p-nickname p-name">cophee</span></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">@[snarfed]</span></span></div></div> <div id="t1752192461806800" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752192461806800" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:07:41+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752192461806800" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:07:41+00:00">00:07</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar" style="opacity: .20;"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org//assets/user.svg" width="20" height="20"/></div><span class=""><span class="p-nickname p-name">cophee</span></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">even if it's cheap</span></span></div></div> <div id="t1752192801122100" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752192801122100" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:13:21+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752192801122100" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:13:21+00:00">00:13</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar" style="opacity: .20;"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org//assets/user.svg" width="20" height="20"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://snarfed.org" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">[snarfed]</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">normalize paying for services!</span></span></div></div> <div class="line join cluster">mateusrc and mald0r0r joined the channel</div><div id="t1752194266357400" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752194266357400" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:37:46+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752194266357400" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:37:46+00:00">00:37</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fartlung.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F02%2FIMG_9150-100x100.jpeg&sig=bf5205ec7e437b92c48d301a8696f37a67ee151da9802ae424df370e520cea23" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://artlung.com" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">[artlung]</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">100% services that are good ought to be paid for, and if you can't recommend it you can't recommend it. but also gifting accounts are a nice option for some services. and payment plans on an annual basis can mitigate things. and some services provide lifetime or other models.</span></span></div></div> <div id="t1752194291391800" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752194291391800" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:38:11+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752194291391800" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:38:11+00:00">00:38</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fartlung.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F02%2FIMG_9150-100x100.jpeg&sig=bf5205ec7e437b92c48d301a8696f37a67ee151da9802ae424df370e520cea23" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://artlung.com" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">[artlung]</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">snarfed++ normalize paying for services that have value.</span></span></div></div> <div id="t1752194291594900" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752194291594900" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:38:11+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752194291594900" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:38:11+00:00">00:38</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Floqi.me%2Flogo%2Floqisaur.png&sig=3571041228810c0664972bd517c3e0cb2b50fe82c7359f310bed393df91a84e0" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://loqi.me" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">Loqi</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">snarfed has 29 karma in this channel over the last year (74 in all channels)</span></span></div></div> <div id="t1752194352957200" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752194352957200" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:39:12+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752194352957200" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:39:12+00:00">00:39</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fartlung.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F02%2FIMG_9150-100x100.jpeg&sig=bf5205ec7e437b92c48d301a8696f37a67ee151da9802ae424df370e520cea23" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://artlung.com" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">[artlung]</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">I recommended <a href="http://micro.blog" target="_blank">http://micro.blog</a> and a few other services to my brother in law just a few weeks ago. he's been traveling but I hope he kicks the tires on services and finds a match.</span></span></div></div> <div id="t1752194372462000" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752194372462000" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T00:39:32+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752194372462000" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T00:39:32+00:00">00:39</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2Flogo.jpg&sig=fdc026586d46976e19df06a113be643ff26d1dec5e3cb4e70d23224b6b3de6d0" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://Tantek.com" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">[tantek]</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">People pay 10x for mobile phones, they can afford <a href="http://micro.blog" target="_blank">http://micro.blog</a></span></span></div></div> <div class="line join cluster">mald0r0r joined the channel</div><div id="t1752197818660000" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752197818660000" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T01:36:58+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752197818660000" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T01:36:58+00:00">01:36</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar" style="opacity: .20;"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org//assets/user.svg" width="20" height="20"/></div><span class=""><span class="p-nickname p-name">veqq</span></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">Good luck to you and your brother!</span></span></div></div> <div class="line join cluster">kebokyo, Owal, mald0r0r, [0x3b0b] and milkii joined the channel</div><div id="t1752203842032200" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752203842032200" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T03:17:22+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752203842032200" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T03:17:22+00:00">03:17</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmat.tl%2Fimg%2Fmattl.png&sig=3baa9eea4b901261eba9345857e842a0fc803ac63883e93d9e9a3b5b352183c4" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://mat.tl" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">[mattl]</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">I do wonder about pricing in other countries/economies. Steam prices games differently per region but those purchases are tied to the account.</span></span></div></div> <div class="line join cluster">mald0r0r, kebokyo, [benji], [aciccarello], geoffo, bterry2 and [morganm] joined the channel</div><div id="t1752207918316800" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752207918316800" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T04:25:18+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752207918316800" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T04:25:18+00:00">04:25</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Floqi.me%2Flogo%2Floqisaur.png&sig=3571041228810c0664972bd517c3e0cb2b50fe82c7359f310bed393df91a84e0" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://loqi.me" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">Loqi</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">[indienews] New post: "RSS is (not) dead (yet)" <a href="https://audmcname.com/comics/rss-is-not-dead-yet/" target="_blank">https://audmcname.com/comics/rss-is-not-dead-yet/</a> (from <a href="https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/chatter/12630-RSS-is-not-dead-yet" target="_blank">https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/chatter/12630-RSS-is-not-dead-yet</a>)</span></span></div></div> <div class="line join cluster">kebokyo, mald0r0r, GuestZero and thegreekgeek__ joined the channel</div><div id="t1752215214529200" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752215214529200" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T06:26:54+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752215214529200" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T06:26:54+00:00">06:26</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoesnm.p.psf.lt%2Favatar.png&sig=81d254b643cd764c00256099c2e6e4a920b4670b596dfeb051aadef163e24574" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://doesnm.cc" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">doesnm</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">[tantek]: are you rent your phone?</span></span></div></div> <div class="line join cluster">kebokyo and mald0r0r joined the channel</div><div id="t1752216791069400" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752216791069400" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T06:53:11+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752216791069400" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T06:53:11+00:00">06:53</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2Flogo.jpg&sig=fdc026586d46976e19df06a113be643ff26d1dec5e3cb4e70d23224b6b3de6d0" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://Tantek.com" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">[tantek]</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">doesnm, typical smartphone service costs >10x more annually than a domain + <a href="http://micro.blog" target="_blank">http://micro.blog</a></span></span></div></div> <div id="t1752216897543800" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752216897543800" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T06:54:57+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752216897543800" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T06:54:57+00:00">06:54</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoesnm.p.psf.lt%2Favatar.png&sig=81d254b643cd764c00256099c2e6e4a920b4670b596dfeb051aadef163e24574" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://doesnm.cc" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">doesnm</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">or, you mean isp costs</span></span></div></div> <div id="t1752216941077200" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752216941077200" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T06:55:41+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752216941077200" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T06:55:41+00:00">06:55</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoesnm.p.psf.lt%2Favatar.png&sig=81d254b643cd764c00256099c2e6e4a920b4670b596dfeb051aadef163e24574" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://doesnm.cc" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">doesnm</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">domain costs are per-year so it might incorrectly to compare</span></span></div></div> <div id="t1752216970083000" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752216970083000" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T06:56:10+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752216970083000" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T06:56:10+00:00">06:56</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org/img.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoesnm.p.psf.lt%2Favatar.png&sig=81d254b643cd764c00256099c2e6e4a920b4670b596dfeb051aadef163e24574" width="20" height="20" class="u-photo"/></div><span class=""><a href="http://doesnm.cc" class="author p-nickname p-name u-url" target="_blank">doesnm</a></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">but yeah, isp costs are higher that micro.blog plan</span></span></div></div> <div class="line join cluster">kebokyo, Guest54 and mald0r0r joined the channel</div><div id="t1752217859588800" class="h-entry line msg-message "><div class="in"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11#t1752217859588800" class="hash">#</a> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2025-07-11T07:10:59+00:00"><a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/2025-07-11/1752217859588800" class="u-url time" title="2025-07-11T07:10:59+00:00">07:10</a></time> <span class="text"><span class="nick p-author h-card"><div class="avatar" style="opacity: .20;"><img src="https://chat.indieweb.org//assets/user.svg" width="20" height="20"/></div><span class=""><span class="p-nickname p-name">.pi.r2.</span></span></span> <span class="e-content p-name">@doesm I think just the annualized cost of the hardware? $60/yr would be equivalent $300 every 5 years, most people spend more on their smartphone purchases</span></span></div></div> <div class="line join cluster">kebokyo and mald0r0r joined the channel</div> </div> <span id="bottom"></span></div> <input id="active-channel" type="hidden" value="#indieweb"> <input id="tz-offset" type="hidden" value="+00:00"> <div id="chat-footer"> <div id="join_prompt"> <button type="button" id="join_btn">Join the Chat</button> (or join via <a href="https://indieweb.org/discuss#Join_Discussions">Discord, IRC<!--, Matrix official bridge disabled --></a>, or <a href="https://chat.indieweb.org/slack">Slack</a>). 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