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  32. <span class="signpost-author">By <a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder">Pythoncoder</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Stormy_clouds" title="User:Stormy clouds">Stormy clouds</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Igordebraga" title="User:Igordebraga">Igordebraga</a></span></div></div>
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  35. <div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">This traffic report is adapted from the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Top_25_Report" title="Wikipedia:Top 25 Report">Top 25 Report</a>, prepared with commentary by <a href="/wiki/User:Stormy_clouds" title="User:Stormy clouds">Stormy clouds</a> (October 14 to 20); <a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder">Pythoncoder</a> (October 7 to 13); <a href="/wiki/User:Igordebraga" title="User:Igordebraga">Igordebraga</a> (September 30 to October 6); and <a href="/wiki/User:Stormy_clouds" title="User:Stormy clouds">Stormy clouds</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Igordebraga" title="User:Igordebraga">Igordebraga</a> (September 23 to 29)</div>
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  38. <h3><span id="Rogue_Killers_.28October_14_to_20.29"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Rogue_Killers_(October_14_to_20)">Rogue Killers (October 14 to 20)</span></h3>
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  44. <p>Another week, another series of deaths. The report is topped by two deceased men: a slaughtered opponent of the Saudi regime and a technological tycoon. Following on from this sombre note, however, we have a list dominated to an intense degree by visual media, from new Netflix releases to a virtual tour of all big releases currently airing in your local multiplex. Not the most diverse report of all time, dominated as it is by just a handful of issues, but interesting to compile all the same. Enjoy.
  45. </p><p>For the week of October 14 to 20, 2018, the 25 most popular articles on Wikipedia, as determined from the <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/865038157" title="Special:PermanentLink/865038157">WP:5000 report</a> were:
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  66. <td>1
  67. </td>
  68. <td><a href="/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi" title="Jamal Khashoggi">Jamal Khashoggi</a>
  69. </td>
  70. <td><img alt="B-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/16px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png" title="B-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/23px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/31px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  71. </td>
  72. <td>1,364,473
  73. </td>
  74. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Jamal_Khashoggi_in_March_2018_(cropped).jpg" class="image"><img alt="Jamal Khashoggi in March 2018 (cropped).jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Jamal_Khashoggi_in_March_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg/100px-Jamal_Khashoggi_in_March_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg" width="100" height="120" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Jamal_Khashoggi_in_March_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg/150px-Jamal_Khashoggi_in_March_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Jamal_Khashoggi_in_March_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg/200px-Jamal_Khashoggi_in_March_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1796" data-file-height="2151" /></a>
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  76. <td style="text-align:left">The brutal story which captivated the world this week revolves around Khashoggi, a journalist, famed in the West for his work with <a href="/wiki/Washington_Post" class="mw-redirect" title="Washington Post">The Post</a>, disappeared in the <a href="/wiki/Saudi_Arabia" title="Saudi Arabia">Saudi</a> embassy in <a href="/wiki/Istanbul" title="Istanbul">Istanbul</a>, leading to (now confirmed) suspicions that he had been murdered by the Arabian authorities. Of course, Saudi Arabia was ostracized internationally owing to their blatant brutality—just kidding, they have <a href="/wiki/Crude_oil" class="mw-redirect" title="Crude oil">liquid gold</a>. Must have been <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-middle-east-45863334">rogue killers</a>. Maybe #18 was involved.
  77. </td></tr>
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  79. <td>2
  80. </td>
  81. <td><a href="/wiki/Paul_Allen" title="Paul Allen">Paul Allen</a>
  82. </td>
  83. <td><img alt="B-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/16px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png" title="B-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/23px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/31px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  84. </td>
  85. <td>1,141,490
  86. </td>
  87. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Paul_G._Allen.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Paul G. Allen.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Paul_G._Allen.jpg/100px-Paul_G._Allen.jpg" width="100" height="140" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Paul_G._Allen.jpg/150px-Paul_G._Allen.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Paul_G._Allen.jpg/200px-Paul_G._Allen.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1500" data-file-height="2100" /></a>
  88. </td>
  89. <td style="text-align:left">Another death, though one with less geopolitical ramifications; Allen, along with his <a href="/wiki/Bill_Gates" title="Bill Gates">bespectacled friend</a>, founded <a href="/wiki/Microsoft" title="Microsoft">Microsoft</a> and subsequently became one of the wealthiest men alive (and owner of the <a href="/wiki/Seattle_Seahawks" title="Seattle Seahawks">Seahawks</a>). Sad day for fans of technology. Even sadder for <a href="/wiki/Internet_Explorer" title="Internet Explorer">Internet Explorer</a> users, who are just finding out about his demise now.
  90. </td></tr>
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  92. <td>3
  93. </td>
  94. <td><a href="/wiki/The_Haunting_of_Hill_House_(TV_series)" title="The Haunting of Hill House (TV series)"><i>The Haunting of Hill House</i> (TV series)</a>
  95. </td>
  96. <td><img alt="Start-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/16px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png" title="Start-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/23px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/31px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  97. </td>
  98. <td>1,082,865
  99. </td>
  100. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Michielhuisman2015.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Michielhuisman2015.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Michielhuisman2015.jpg/100px-Michielhuisman2015.jpg" width="100" height="177" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Michielhuisman2015.jpg/150px-Michielhuisman2015.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Michielhuisman2015.jpg/200px-Michielhuisman2015.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1210" data-file-height="2137" /></a>
  101. </td>
  102. <td style="text-align:left">The latest streaming sensation on <a href="/wiki/Netflix" title="Netflix">our all-powerful content tsar</a> charts highly on the Top 25 Report, following in the well-trodden footsteps of seemingly every series in the platform. I haven't seen this one, but it is tinged with horror; based on #5; and stars <a href="/wiki/Michiel_Huisman" title="Michiel Huisman">Michiel Huisman</a>, perhaps best known as a <a href="/wiki/Ed_Skrein" title="Ed Skrein">regenerated</a> <a href="/wiki/Daario_Naharis" title="Daario Naharis">dragon's paramour</a>.
  103. </td></tr>
  104. <tr>
  105. <td>4
  106. </td>
  107. <td><a href="/wiki/A_Star_Is_Born_(2018_film)" title="A Star Is Born (2018 film)"><i>A Star Is Born</i> (2018 film)</a>
  108. </td>
  109. <td><img alt="B-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/16px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png" title="B-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/23px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/31px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  110. </td>
  111. <td>972,305
  112. </td>
  113. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Guitard_Epiphone_03.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Guitard Epiphone 03.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Guitard_Epiphone_03.jpg/100px-Guitard_Epiphone_03.jpg" width="100" height="193" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Guitard_Epiphone_03.jpg/150px-Guitard_Epiphone_03.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Guitard_Epiphone_03.jpg/200px-Guitard_Epiphone_03.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1088" data-file-height="2096" /></a>
  114. </td>
  115. <td style="text-align:left">The fourth iteration of the cinematic classic, starring an <a href="/wiki/Lady_Gaga" title="Lady Gaga">acting musician</a> and a <a href="/wiki/Bradley_Cooper" title="Bradley Cooper">directing actor</a>, is also the best, and will aim to convert the considerable swathes of wiki-interest it has attracted into <a href="/wiki/91st_Academy_Awards" title="91st Academy Awards">gold</a>, the work of a cinephilic alchemist.
  116. </td></tr>
  117. <tr>
  118. <td>5
  119. </td>
  120. <td><i><a href="/wiki/The_Haunting_of_Hill_House" title="The Haunting of Hill House">The Haunting of Hill House</a></i>
  121. </td>
  122. <td><img alt="Start-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/16px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png" title="Start-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/23px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/31px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  123. </td>
  124. <td>907,143
  125. </td>
  126. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Stepney_Dam_II.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Stepney Dam II.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Stepney_Dam_II.jpg/100px-Stepney_Dam_II.jpg" width="100" height="67" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Stepney_Dam_II.jpg/150px-Stepney_Dam_II.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Stepney_Dam_II.jpg/200px-Stepney_Dam_II.jpg 2x" data-file-width="7360" data-file-height="4912" /></a>
  127. </td>
  128. <td style="text-align:left"><a href="/wiki/Shirley_Jackson" title="Shirley Jackson">Shirley Jackson</a>'s 1959 novel, a seminal cornerstone of mid-twentieth-century horror literature alongside the corpus of <a href="/wiki/Stephen_King" title="Stephen King">literary royalty</a>, has been adapted into a popular Netflix miniseries (#3).
  129. </td></tr>
  130. <tr>
  131. <td>6
  132. </td>
  133. <td><a href="/wiki/Halloween_(2018_film)" title="Halloween (2018 film)"><i>Halloween</i> (2018 film)</a>
  134. </td>
  135. <td><img alt="Start-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/16px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png" title="Start-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/23px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/31px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  136. </td>
  137. <td>791,624
  138. </td>
  139. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Pumpkipedia-47.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Pumpkipedia-47.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Pumpkipedia-47.jpg/100px-Pumpkipedia-47.jpg" width="100" height="67" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Pumpkipedia-47.jpg/150px-Pumpkipedia-47.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Pumpkipedia-47.jpg/200px-Pumpkipedia-47.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4721" data-file-height="3149" /></a>
  140. </td>
  141. <td style="text-align:left">When one sees the repetitive rebooting of <a href="/wiki/Poltergeist_(2015_film)" title="Poltergeist (2015 film)">dormant</a> <a href="/wiki/Rings_(2017_film)" title="Rings (2017 film)">horror</a> <a href="/wiki/The_Omen_(2006_film)" title="The Omen (2006 film)">franchises</a>, all dull, stale, monotonous and trite, I wonder why Hollywood bothers. Then <i>Halloween</i> slashes its way to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4449&amp;p=.htm">a $77&#160;million opening weekend</a>, and one wonders no more.
  142. </td></tr>
  143. <tr>
  144. <td>7
  145. </td>
  146. <td><a href="/wiki/Venom_(2018_film)" title="Venom (2018 film)"><i>Venom</i> (2018 film)</a>
  147. </td>
  148. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  149. </td>
  150. <td>747,146
  151. </td>
  152. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Special_Edition_NYC_2014_-_Venom_(14408126726).jpg" class="image"><img alt="Special Edition NYC 2014 - Venom (14408126726).jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Special_Edition_NYC_2014_-_Venom_%2814408126726%29.jpg/100px-Special_Edition_NYC_2014_-_Venom_%2814408126726%29.jpg" width="100" height="150" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Special_Edition_NYC_2014_-_Venom_%2814408126726%29.jpg/150px-Special_Edition_NYC_2014_-_Venom_%2814408126726%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Special_Edition_NYC_2014_-_Venom_%2814408126726%29.jpg/200px-Special_Edition_NYC_2014_-_Venom_%2814408126726%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1504" data-file-height="2256" /></a>
  153. </td>
  154. <td style="text-align:left"><i>Venom</i> is comfortably one of the worst superhero adaptations in recent memory, with bland characters, a <em>comically</em> laughable plot, non-existent tension, and an intriguing ability to be both ludicrously toned-down and simultaneously grossly over the top. So kudos to <a href="/wiki/Sony_Pictures" title="Sony Pictures">Sony Pictures</a> for out-doing their last <a href="/wiki/Spider-Man_3" title="Spider-Man 3">horrendous swing</a> at the <a href="/wiki/Eddie_Brock" title="Eddie Brock">character</a>, and kudos to the droves of cinema-goers who ensured that poor <a href="/wiki/Tom_Hardy" title="Tom Hardy">Tom Hardy</a> will have to slog through several sequels.
  155. </td></tr>
  156. <tr>
  157. <td>8
  158. </td>
  159. <td><a href="/wiki/Deaths_in_2018" title="Deaths in 2018">Deaths in 2018</a>
  160. </td>
  161. <td><img alt="List-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/16px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png" title="List-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/23px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/31px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  162. </td>
  163. <td>694,717
  164. </td>
  165. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Skullclose.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Skullclose.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Skullclose.jpg/100px-Skullclose.jpg" width="100" height="150" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Skullclose.jpg/150px-Skullclose.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Skullclose.jpg/200px-Skullclose.jpg 2x" data-file-width="853" data-file-height="1280" /></a>
  166. </td>
  167. <td style="text-align:left">Another week, another appearance in the Top 25 for the list of the deceased, buoyed this time by our top two entries.
  168. </td></tr>
  169. <tr>
  170. <td>9
  171. </td>
  172. <td><a href="/wiki/Lady_Gaga" title="Lady Gaga">Lady Gaga</a>
  173. </td>
  174. <td><img alt="Featured article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/16px-Featured_article_star.svg.png" title="Featured article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/24px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/32px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="180" />
  175. </td>
  176. <td>577,955
  177. </td>
  178. <td><a href="/wiki/File:TIFF_2018_Lady_Gaga_(1_of_1)-3_(cropped)_(edited).jpg" class="image"><img alt="TIFF 2018 Lady Gaga (1 of 1)-3 (cropped) (edited).jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/TIFF_2018_Lady_Gaga_%281_of_1%29-3_%28cropped%29_%28edited%29.jpg/100px-TIFF_2018_Lady_Gaga_%281_of_1%29-3_%28cropped%29_%28edited%29.jpg" width="100" height="163" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/TIFF_2018_Lady_Gaga_%281_of_1%29-3_%28cropped%29_%28edited%29.jpg/150px-TIFF_2018_Lady_Gaga_%281_of_1%29-3_%28cropped%29_%28edited%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/TIFF_2018_Lady_Gaga_%281_of_1%29-3_%28cropped%29_%28edited%29.jpg/200px-TIFF_2018_Lady_Gaga_%281_of_1%29-3_%28cropped%29_%28edited%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1176" data-file-height="1912" /></a>
  179. </td>
  180. <td style="text-align:left">Lady Gaga has become intimately reacquainted with the <a href="/wiki/Fame_Monster" class="mw-redirect" title="Fame Monster">Fame Monster</a> and its associated <a href="/wiki/Paparazzi_(Lady_Gaga_song)" title="Paparazzi (Lady Gaga song)">harbingers</a> following her sublime starring turn in #4, and it is likely she will be in the <a href="/wiki/Oscars" class="mw-redirect" title="Oscars">Oscar</a> conversation come awards time. Not bad for the musician, who intriguingly <a href="/wiki/Radio_Gaga" title="Radio Gaga">derived</a> her stage name from <a href="/wiki/Freddie_Mercury" title="Freddie Mercury">our #13</a>.
  181. </td></tr>
  182. <tr>
  183. <td>10
  184. </td>
  185. <td><a href="/wiki/Neil_Armstrong" title="Neil Armstrong">Neil Armstrong</a>
  186. </td>
  187. <td><img alt="Featured article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/16px-Featured_article_star.svg.png" title="Featured article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/24px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/32px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="180" />
  188. </td>
  189. <td>507,392
  190. </td>
  191. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Neil_Armstrong_pose.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Neil Armstrong pose.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Neil_Armstrong_pose.jpg/100px-Neil_Armstrong_pose.jpg" width="100" height="127" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Neil_Armstrong_pose.jpg/150px-Neil_Armstrong_pose.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Neil_Armstrong_pose.jpg/200px-Neil_Armstrong_pose.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3300" data-file-height="4200" /></a>
  192. </td>
  193. <td style="text-align:left">The first is a handful of real-life figures in the Report owing to their appearances in <a href="/wiki/Biopic" class="mw-redirect" title="Biopic">cinematic biopics</a>, the <a href="/wiki/US_Air_Force" class="mw-redirect" title="US Air Force">Air Force</a> pilot turned <a href="/wiki/Apollo_11" title="Apollo 11">pioneering lunar Voyager</a> is the subject of the fittingly named <i><a href="/wiki/First_Man_(2018_film)" class="mw-redirect" title="First Man (2018 film)">First Man</a></i>, where he is portrayed sublimely by <a href="/wiki/Ryan_Gosling" title="Ryan Gosling">Ryan Gosling</a>.
  194. </td></tr></tbody></table>
  195. </div>
  196. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  197. <h3><span id="UFC.2C_Politics.2C_and_More_Superheroes_.28October_7_to_13.29"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="UFC,_Politics,_and_More_Superheroes_(October_7_to_13)">UFC, Politics, and More Superheroes (October 7 to 13)</span></h3>
  198. </div>
  199. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  200. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_(October_7_to_13,_2018).png" class="image"><img alt="Horizontal bar graph depicting the most popular Wikipedia articles for the week of October 7 to 13, 2018" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28October_7_to_13%2C_2018%29.png/300px-Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28October_7_to_13%2C_2018%29.png" width="300" height="265" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28October_7_to_13%2C_2018%29.png/450px-Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28October_7_to_13%2C_2018%29.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28October_7_to_13%2C_2018%29.png/600px-Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28October_7_to_13%2C_2018%29.png 2x" data-file-width="2366" data-file-height="2090" /></a></div></div>
  201. </div>
  202. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  203. <p>This week, readers continued to be interested in the event that turned violent... err... more violent (#1, #3, #5, #15, #19). Further down the list is a different kind of fight—this one over the US Supreme Court (#7, #23, #25). Wikipedia readers also went to the movies a lot this week, with entries related to new releases <i>Venom</i>, <i>A Star Is Born</i>, <i>Bohemian Rhapsody</i>, and <i>22 July</i> from <a href="/wiki/Netflix" title="Netflix">Netflix</a> (#2, #4, #12, #13, #14, #20, #22). Rounding out the list is the latest Trump administration departure (#6), a royal wedding (#8), another Banksy prank (#9), American athletes (#11, #17), Hurricane Michael (#16), and <a href="/wiki/Me_Too_movement" title="Me Too movement">#MeToo</a> (#21). This leaves 3 spots this week related to deaths (#10, #24, and #18, unless you're the Saudi government).
  204. </p><p>For the week of October 6 to 13, 2018, the 25 most popular articles on Wikipedia, as determined from the <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/863973771" title="Special:PermanentLink/863973771">WP:5000 report</a> were:
  205. </p>
  206. <div style="clear:both;"></div>
  207. </div>
  208. <div style="line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  209. <table class="wikitable" style="text-align:center">
  210.  
  211. <tbody><tr>
  212. <th>Rank
  213. </th>
  214. <th>Article
  215. </th>
  216. <th>Class
  217. </th>
  218. <th>Views
  219. </th>
  220. <th>Image
  221. </th>
  222. <th>About
  223. </th></tr>
  224. <tr>
  225. <td>1
  226. </td>
  227. <td><a href="/wiki/Khabib_Nurmagomedov" title="Khabib Nurmagomedov">Khabib Nurmagomedov</a>
  228. </td>
  229. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  230. </td>
  231. <td>3,083,061
  232. </td>
  233. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Khabib_Nurmagomedov_2.png" class="image"><img alt="Khabib Nurmagomedov 2.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Khabib_Nurmagomedov_2.png/100px-Khabib_Nurmagomedov_2.png" width="100" height="146" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Khabib_Nurmagomedov_2.png/150px-Khabib_Nurmagomedov_2.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Khabib_Nurmagomedov_2.png/200px-Khabib_Nurmagomedov_2.png 2x" data-file-width="379" data-file-height="552" /></a>
  234. </td>
  235. <td style="text-align:left">Nurmagomedov beat Conor McGregor in UFC 229 to become the new <a href="/wiki/UFC" class="mw-redirect" title="UFC">UFC</a> lightweight champion. UFC is a mixed martial arts competition, which basically means that you're trying to beat up your opponent by any means possible. Oh, and then this guy did <a href="/wiki/UFC_229#Nurmagomedov–McGregor_post-fight_controversy" title="UFC 229">this</a>. No thanks.
  236. </td></tr>
  237. <tr>
  238. <td>2
  239. </td>
  240. <td><a href="/wiki/Venom_(2018_film)" title="Venom (2018 film)"><i>Venom</i> (2018 film)</a>
  241. </td>
  242. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  243. </td>
  244. <td>1,521,579
  245. </td>
  246. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Venom_Cosplay.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Venom Cosplay.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Venom_Cosplay.jpg/100px-Venom_Cosplay.jpg" width="100" height="124" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Venom_Cosplay.jpg/150px-Venom_Cosplay.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Venom_Cosplay.jpg/200px-Venom_Cosplay.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2561" data-file-height="3166" /></a>
  247. </td>
  248. <td style="text-align:left">There's been a lot of buzz around this film, which—despite being critically panned—has proven to be a hit with audiences. It grossed $35&#160;million in the US and Canada last weekend, giving it the number 1 spot once again and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?view=&amp;yr=2018&amp;wknd=41&amp;p=.htm">a total domestic haul of $142&#160;million</a>. It just goes to show that moviegoers really, really, really like superheroes. The film, directed by <a href="/wiki/Ruben_Fleischer" title="Ruben Fleischer">Ruben Fleischer</a>, tells the story of Spider-Man <a href="/wiki/Antihero" title="Antihero">antihero</a> named <a href="/wiki/Venom_(Marvel_Comics_character)" title="Venom (Marvel Comics character)">Venom</a>, played by Tom Hardy (whose acting is considered one of the highlights of the film). The film was made by <a href="/wiki/Sony_Pictures" title="Sony Pictures">Sony Pictures</a> and, despite it being about a Marvel character, Marvel does not consider it to be in the official <a href="/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe" title="Marvel Cinematic Universe">Marvel Cinematic Universe</a>.
  249. </td></tr>
  250. <tr>
  251. <td>3
  252. </td>
  253. <td><a href="/wiki/Conor_McGregor" title="Conor McGregor">Conor McGregor</a>
  254. </td>
  255. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  256. </td>
  257. <td>1,341,613
  258. </td>
  259. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Conor_McGregor_2016.png" class="image"><img alt="Conor McGregor 2016.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Conor_McGregor_2016.png/100px-Conor_McGregor_2016.png" width="100" height="137" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Conor_McGregor_2016.png/150px-Conor_McGregor_2016.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Conor_McGregor_2016.png/200px-Conor_McGregor_2016.png 2x" data-file-width="456" data-file-height="624" /></a>
  260. </td>
  261. <td style="text-align:left">After <a href="/wiki/Mayweather_vs._McGregor" class="mw-redirect" title="Mayweather vs. McGregor">a brief stint in boxing</a>, this was supposed to be McGregor's return to mixed martial arts, the combat sport which brought him his fame. And just like the fight linked above (which ended in a technical knockout), it probably didn't end the way McGregor hoped. Of course, he probably made a lot of money along the way, so that helps. Can't say I watched, but there you go.
  262. </td></tr>
  263. <tr>
  264. <td>4
  265. </td>
  266. <td><a href="/wiki/A_Star_Is_Born_(2018_film)" title="A Star Is Born (2018 film)"><i>A Star Is Born</i> (2018 film)</a>
  267. </td>
  268. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  269. </td>
  270. <td>1,326,315
  271. </td>
  272. <td><a href="/wiki/File:TIFF_2018_Lady_Gaga_(1_of_1)_(cropped).jpg" class="image"><img alt="TIFF 2018 Lady Gaga (1 of 1) (cropped).jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/TIFF_2018_Lady_Gaga_%281_of_1%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/100px-TIFF_2018_Lady_Gaga_%281_of_1%29_%28cropped%29.jpg" width="100" height="129" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/TIFF_2018_Lady_Gaga_%281_of_1%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/150px-TIFF_2018_Lady_Gaga_%281_of_1%29_%28cropped%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/TIFF_2018_Lady_Gaga_%281_of_1%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/200px-TIFF_2018_Lady_Gaga_%281_of_1%29_%28cropped%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="328" data-file-height="424" /></a>
  273. </td>
  274. <td style="text-align:left">#2 for this weekend's US/Canada box office is <a href="/wiki/A_Star_Is_Born_(1937_film)" title="A Star Is Born (1937 film)">the</a> <a href="/wiki/A_Star_Is_Born_(1954_film)" title="A Star Is Born (1954 film)">fourth</a> <a href="/wiki/A_Star_Is_Born_(1976_film)" title="A Star Is Born (1976 film)">remake</a>, considered to be a favorite for <a href="/wiki/Awards_season" class="mw-redirect" title="Awards season">awards season</a>. With <a href="/wiki/Hollywood" title="Hollywood">Hollywood</a>'s obsession with <a href="/wiki/Golden_Raspberry_Award_for_Worst_Prequel,_Remake,_Rip-off_or_Sequel" title="Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-off or Sequel">remakes and sequels</a>, it's surprising it took this long for a remake to come out.
  275. </td></tr>
  276. <tr>
  277. <td>5
  278. </td>
  279. <td><a href="/wiki/UFC_229" title="UFC 229">UFC 229</a>
  280. </td>
  281. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  282. </td>
  283. <td>1,056,495
  284. </td>
  285. <td><a href="/wiki/File:T_Mobile_Arena_The_Strip_Las_Vegas_(29798246202).jpg" class="image"><img alt="T Mobile Arena The Strip Las Vegas (29798246202).jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/T_Mobile_Arena_The_Strip_Las_Vegas_%2829798246202%29.jpg/100px-T_Mobile_Arena_The_Strip_Las_Vegas_%2829798246202%29.jpg" width="100" height="55" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/T_Mobile_Arena_The_Strip_Las_Vegas_%2829798246202%29.jpg/150px-T_Mobile_Arena_The_Strip_Las_Vegas_%2829798246202%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/T_Mobile_Arena_The_Strip_Las_Vegas_%2829798246202%29.jpg/200px-T_Mobile_Arena_The_Strip_Las_Vegas_%2829798246202%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2048" data-file-height="1122" /></a>
  286. </td>
  287. <td style="text-align:left">Pictured to the left is the Las Vegas arena where the fight took place (see #1).
  288. </td></tr>
  289. <tr>
  290. <td>6
  291. </td>
  292. <td><a href="/wiki/Nikki_Haley" title="Nikki Haley">Nikki Haley</a>
  293. </td>
  294. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  295. </td>
  296. <td>902,500
  297. </td>
  298. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Nikki_Haley_official_photo.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Nikki Haley official photo.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Nikki_Haley_official_photo.jpg/100px-Nikki_Haley_official_photo.jpg" width="100" height="124" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Nikki_Haley_official_photo.jpg/150px-Nikki_Haley_official_photo.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Nikki_Haley_official_photo.jpg/200px-Nikki_Haley_official_photo.jpg 2x" data-file-width="966" data-file-height="1200" /></a>
  299. </td>
  300. <td style="text-align:left">This week, Haley became the latest high-profile departure from the Trump White House, which has had an astonishingly high turnover rate. Haley, the <a href="/wiki/United_States_Ambassador_to_the_United_Nations" title="United States Ambassador to the United Nations">United States Ambassador to the United Nations</a>, will leave at the end of the year. Comments by <a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump" title="Donald Trump">the POTUS</a> suggest that <a href="/wiki/Jim_Mattis" title="Jim Mattis">Jim Mattis</a> and <a href="/wiki/Jeff_Sessions" title="Jeff Sessions">Jeff Sessions</a> may be on the outs as well. Sad!
  301. </td></tr>
  302. <tr>
  303. <td>7
  304. </td>
  305. <td><a href="/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh" title="Brett Kavanaugh">Brett Kavanaugh</a>
  306. </td>
  307. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  308. </td>
  309. <td>831,313
  310. </td>
  311. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Brett Kavanaugh 2018.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg/100px-Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg" width="100" height="142" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg/150px-Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg/200px-Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg 2x" data-file-width="290" data-file-height="413" /></a>
  312. </td>
  313. <td style="text-align:left">Ugh. Don't remind me that this guy is on the Supreme Court. What a sad, sad day for America. Please, never mention this name to me ever again, unless it's part of an impeachment effort.
  314. </td></tr>
  315. <tr>
  316. <td>8
  317. </td>
  318. <td><a href="/wiki/Princess_Eugenie" title="Princess Eugenie">Princess Eugenie</a>
  319. </td>
  320. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  321. </td>
  322. <td>811,346<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1">&#91;a&#93;</a></sup>
  323. </td>
  324. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Princess_Eugenie,_2017.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Princess Eugenie, 2017.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Princess_Eugenie%2C_2017.jpg/100px-Princess_Eugenie%2C_2017.jpg" width="100" height="152" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Princess_Eugenie%2C_2017.jpg/150px-Princess_Eugenie%2C_2017.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Princess_Eugenie%2C_2017.jpg/200px-Princess_Eugenie%2C_2017.jpg 2x" data-file-width="713" data-file-height="1081" /></a>
  325. </td>
  326. <td style="text-align:left">There was <a href="/wiki/Wedding_of_Princess_Eugenie_and_Jack_Brooksbank" title="Wedding of Princess Eugenie and Jack Brooksbank">another royal wedding</a> last week. With this one happening so close to the last one, the page views were lower; it probably didn't help that Markle and Prince Harry sort of stole their thunder with an announcement of their own.<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2">&#91;b&#93;</a></sup>
  327. </td></tr>
  328. <tr>
  329. <td>9
  330. </td>
  331. <td><a href="/wiki/Banksy" title="Banksy">Banksy</a>
  332. </td>
  333. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  334. </td>
  335. <td>727,223
  336. </td>
  337. <td><a href="/wiki/File:BANKSY_LONDON.jpg" class="image"><img alt="BANKSY LONDON.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/BANKSY_LONDON.jpg/100px-BANKSY_LONDON.jpg" width="100" height="150" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/BANKSY_LONDON.jpg/150px-BANKSY_LONDON.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/BANKSY_LONDON.jpg/200px-BANKSY_LONDON.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="3008" /></a>
  338. </td>
  339. <td style="text-align:left">Banksy made headlines again this week, when a copy of his painting <i><a href="/wiki/Girl_with_Balloon" title="Girl with Balloon">Girl with Balloon</a></i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.instagram.com/p/BomXijJhArX/?taken-by=banksy">shredded itself</a> after being sold at auction for £1,042,000 (US$1.373 million). (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.indiatimes.com/trending/wtf/according-to-this-fan-theory-banksy-shredding-iconic-painting-might-actually-be-a-huge-prank-354660.html">Or did it?</a>) Of course, this just increased its value. The painting has now been renamed <i><a href="/wiki/Love_Is_in_the_Bin" class="mw-redirect" title="Love Is in the Bin">Love Is in the Bin</a></i>.
  340. </td></tr>
  341. <tr>
  342. <td>10
  343. </td>
  344. <td><a href="/wiki/Deaths_in_2018" title="Deaths in 2018">Deaths in 2018</a>
  345. </td>
  346. <td><img alt="List-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/16px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png" title="List-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/23px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/31px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  347. </td>
  348. <td>703,425
  349. </td>
  350. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Grim_reaper_(5110643225).jpg" class="image"><img alt="Grim reaper (5110643225).jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg/100px-Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg" width="100" height="75" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg/150px-Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg/200px-Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2592" data-file-height="1944" /></a>
  351. </td>
  352. <td style="font-style:italic">"<a href="/wiki/(Don%27t_Fear)_The_Reaper" title="(Don&#39;t Fear) The Reaper">All our times have come<br />Here, but now they're gone</a>..."<br /><strong><a href="/wiki/More_Cowbell" title="More Cowbell">I gotta have more cowbell!</a></strong><i></i>
  353. </td></tr></tbody></table>
  354. <div class="reflist" style="list-style-type: lower-alpha;">
  355. <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references">
  356. <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Combined views; during the week, the article was moved from "<a href="/wiki/Princess_Eugenie_of_York" class="mw-redirect" title="Princess Eugenie of York">Princess Eugenie of York</a>" (583,283) to "Princess Eugenie" (228,063).</span>
  357. </li>
  358. <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">What, you think I'm going to read articles about this topic?</span>
  359. </li>
  360. </ol></div></div>
  361. </div>
  362. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  363. <h3><span id="October_and_articles_are_stripped_bare_.28September_30_to_October_6.2C_2018.29"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="October_and_articles_are_stripped_bare_(September_30_to_October_6,_2018)">October and articles are stripped bare (September 30 to October 6, 2018)</span></h3>
  364. </div>
  365. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  366. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_(September_30_to_October_6,_2018).png" class="image"><img alt="Horizontal bar graph depicting the most popular Wikipedia articles for the week of September 30 to October 6, 2018" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28September_30_to_October_6%2C_2018%29.png/300px-Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28September_30_to_October_6%2C_2018%29.png" width="300" height="255" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28September_30_to_October_6%2C_2018%29.png/450px-Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28September_30_to_October_6%2C_2018%29.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28September_30_to_October_6%2C_2018%29.png/600px-Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28September_30_to_October_6%2C_2018%29.png 2x" data-file-width="2456" data-file-height="2090" /></a></div></div>
  367. </div>
  368. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  369. <p>October starts with the most prevalent subject being the United States Supreme Court dispute (#2, #8, #13, #19, #20, #21) that dominated late September—a current Justice (#17) thankfully owes her entry for matters outside that. And if you though that wasn't aggressive enough, there was a <a href="/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts" title="Mixed martial arts">MMA</a> event (#25) that ended with the fighters (#5, #11) attacking/being attacked by people outside the ring, something you'd expect more from wrestling (#7). While on bad boys, the Report is topped by the solo movie of comics antihero <a href="/wiki/Venom_(Marvel_Comics)" class="mw-redirect" title="Venom (Marvel Comics)">Eddie Brock <abbr title="also known as">a.k.a.</abbr> Venom</a>—and yet, the new release that brought in bonus entries was <i>A Star Is Born</i> (#3), with both stars (#10, #12), one of whom also directs, entering the list. India looked for Gandhi in his holiday (#6), a doctor when Google homaged him (#14) and an actor when his widow died (#22). Otherwise, Charles Aznavour (#16) joined the year's deaths (#4), Patrick Mahomes (#9) keeps winning, Banksy (#24) trolled an auction, Elon Musk (#18) continues to see negative repercussions of the joint he smoked, and readers sought more about a Netflix movie on wolf hunters (#23) and <a href="/wiki/Forest_Whitaker" title="Forest Whitaker">Forest Whitaker</a>'s brother (#15).
  370. </p><p>For the week of September 30 to October 6, 2018, the 25 most popular articles on Wikipedia, as determined from the <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/861824375" title="Special:PermanentLink/861824375">WP:5000 report</a> were:
  371. </p>
  372. <div style="clear:both;"></div>
  373. </div>
  374. <div style="line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  375. <table class="wikitable" style="text-align:center">
  376.  
  377. <tbody><tr>
  378. <th>Rank
  379. </th>
  380. <th>Article
  381. </th>
  382. <th>Class
  383. </th>
  384. <th>Views
  385. </th>
  386. <th>Image
  387. </th>
  388. <th>About
  389. </th></tr>
  390. <tr>
  391. <td>1
  392. </td>
  393. <td><a href="/wiki/Venom_(2018_film)" title="Venom (2018 film)"><i>Venom</i> (2018 film)</a>
  394. </td>
  395. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  396. </td>
  397. <td>1,721,610
  398. </td>
  399. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Venom_Cosplay.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Venom Cosplay.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Venom_Cosplay.jpg/100px-Venom_Cosplay.jpg" width="100" height="124" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Venom_Cosplay.jpg/150px-Venom_Cosplay.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Venom_Cosplay.jpg/200px-Venom_Cosplay.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2561" data-file-height="3166" /></a>
  400. </td>
  401. <td style="text-align:left"><a href="/wiki/Spider-Man" title="Spider-Man">Spider-Man</a>'s sometimes evil, sometimes antiheroic counterpart got his solo movie, though completely divorced from said hero as <a href="/wiki/Sony_Pictures" title="Sony Pictures">Sony Pictures</a> still wants to make Webhead-related movies without needing to ask for <a href="/wiki/Marvel_Studios" title="Marvel Studios">Marvel Studios</a> to help. Critics blasted <i>Venom</i>, though deeming it a bit watchable due to <a href="/wiki/Tom_Hardy" title="Tom Hardy">Tom Hardy</a>'s unhinged performance as <a href="/wiki/Eddie_Brock" title="Eddie Brock">Eddie Brock</a> (and his superpowered dark side); audiences were more acceptive, and the movie made $200&#160;million worldwide in a single weekend.
  402. </td></tr>
  403. <tr>
  404. <td>2
  405. </td>
  406. <td><a href="/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh" title="Brett Kavanaugh">Brett Kavanaugh</a>
  407. </td>
  408. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  409. </td>
  410. <td>1,456,383
  411. </td>
  412. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Brett Kavanaugh 2018.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg/100px-Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg" width="100" height="142" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg/150px-Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg/200px-Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg 2x" data-file-width="290" data-file-height="413" /></a>
  413. </td>
  414. <td style="text-align:left">In spite of the hearings regarding a sexual assault incident (#8), the Senate confirmed Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court by just two votes.
  415. </td></tr>
  416. <tr>
  417. <td>3
  418. </td>
  419. <td><a href="/wiki/A_Star_Is_Born_(2018_film)" title="A Star Is Born (2018 film)"><i>A Star Is Born</i> (2018 film)</a>
  420. </td>
  421. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  422. </td>
  423. <td>1,088,531
  424. </td>
  425. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Star_Is_Born_02_(31066433638).jpg" class="image"><img alt="Star Is Born 02 (31066433638).jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Star_Is_Born_02_%2831066433638%29.jpg/100px-Star_Is_Born_02_%2831066433638%29.jpg" width="100" height="140" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Star_Is_Born_02_%2831066433638%29.jpg/150px-Star_Is_Born_02_%2831066433638%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Star_Is_Born_02_%2831066433638%29.jpg/200px-Star_Is_Born_02_%2831066433638%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2203" data-file-height="3086" /></a>
  426. </td>
  427. <td style="text-align:left">The other big release of the week, the fourth remake of a famous story of musicians falling in love and she rises to fame while he decays,<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3">&#91;a&#93;</a></sup> starring <a href="/wiki/Bradley_Cooper" title="Bradley Cooper">Bradley Cooper</a> (<i>pictured</i>), who also directs, produces, and co-writes. It finished as second in the box office behind our #1, but got <em>much</em> better reviews, being lauded as a possible award contender.
  428. </td></tr>
  429. <tr>
  430. <td>4
  431. </td>
  432. <td><a href="/wiki/Deaths_in_2018" title="Deaths in 2018">Deaths in 2018</a>
  433. </td>
  434. <td><img alt="List-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/16px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png" title="List-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/23px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/31px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  435. </td>
  436. <td>714,104
  437. </td>
  438. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Grim_reaper_(5110643225).jpg" class="image"><img alt="Grim reaper (5110643225).jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg/100px-Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg" width="100" height="75" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg/150px-Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg/200px-Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2592" data-file-height="1944" /></a>
  439. </td>
  440. <td style="font-style:italic">"<i lang="fr" title="French language text"><a href="/wiki/%C3%80_Tout_le_Monde" title="À Tout le Monde">À Tout le Monde</a>, à tous mes amis<br />Je vous aime, je dois partir</i><br />These are the last words I'll ever speak<br />And they'll set me free"
  441. </td></tr>
  442. <tr>
  443. <td>5
  444. </td>
  445. <td><a href="/wiki/Khabib_Nurmagomedov" title="Khabib Nurmagomedov">Khabib Nurmagomedov</a>
  446. </td>
  447. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  448. </td>
  449. <td>677,003
  450. </td>
  451. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Khabib_Nurmagomedov_2.png" class="image"><img alt="Khabib Nurmagomedov 2.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Khabib_Nurmagomedov_2.png/100px-Khabib_Nurmagomedov_2.png" width="100" height="146" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Khabib_Nurmagomedov_2.png/150px-Khabib_Nurmagomedov_2.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Khabib_Nurmagomedov_2.png/200px-Khabib_Nurmagomedov_2.png 2x" data-file-width="379" data-file-height="552" /></a>
  452. </td>
  453. <td style="text-align:left">The Russian <a href="/wiki/UFC_Lightweight_Champion" class="mw-redirect" title="UFC Lightweight Champion">UFC Lightweight Champion</a> saw his title contested by former champion Conor McGregor (#11) in Las Vegas (#25), and still won—but followed it by <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://youtube.com/watch/?v=_zCo1yDWHbA#t=80">some violence off the octagon</a> that made <a href="/wiki/Dana_White" title="Dana White">Dana White</a> refuse to give him the belt back, fearing the crowd would pelt him with whatever they had on hand.
  454. </td></tr>
  455. <tr>
  456. <td>6
  457. </td>
  458. <td><a href="/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi" title="Mahatma Gandhi">Mahatma Gandhi</a>
  459. </td>
  460. <td><img alt="Good article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" title="Good article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/31px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  461. </td>
  462. <td>659,348
  463. </td>
  464. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Mahatma_Gandhi_statue_in_Kollam.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Mahatma Gandhi statue in Kollam.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Mahatma_Gandhi_statue_in_Kollam.jpg/100px-Mahatma_Gandhi_statue_in_Kollam.jpg" width="100" height="133" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Mahatma_Gandhi_statue_in_Kollam.jpg/150px-Mahatma_Gandhi_statue_in_Kollam.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Mahatma_Gandhi_statue_in_Kollam.jpg/200px-Mahatma_Gandhi_statue_in_Kollam.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1200" data-file-height="1600" /></a>
  465. </td>
  466. <td style="text-align:left">Mohandas's birthday was on October 2, leading Indians to once again research the activist who inspired the <a href="/wiki/Gandhi_Jayanti" title="Gandhi Jayanti">Gandhi Jayanti</a> holiday.
  467. </td></tr>
  468. <tr>
  469. <td>7
  470. </td>
  471. <td><a href="/wiki/WWE_Super_Show-Down" title="WWE Super Show-Down">WWE Super Show-Down</a>
  472. </td>
  473. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  474. </td>
  475. <td>625,858
  476. </td>
  477. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Charlotte_as_the_WWE_Women%27s_Champion_Raw_April_2016.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Charlotte as the WWE Women&#39;s Champion Raw April 2016.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Charlotte_as_the_WWE_Women%27s_Champion_Raw_April_2016.jpg/100px-Charlotte_as_the_WWE_Women%27s_Champion_Raw_April_2016.jpg" width="100" height="193" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Charlotte_as_the_WWE_Women%27s_Champion_Raw_April_2016.jpg/150px-Charlotte_as_the_WWE_Women%27s_Champion_Raw_April_2016.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Charlotte_as_the_WWE_Women%27s_Champion_Raw_April_2016.jpg/200px-Charlotte_as_the_WWE_Women%27s_Champion_Raw_April_2016.jpg 2x" data-file-width="443" data-file-height="857" /></a>
  478. </td>
  479. <td style="text-align:left">One more <a href="/wiki/WWE" title="WWE">WWE</a> pantomime, only this time in Australia! Among the events of the night, <a href="/wiki/Charlotte_Flair" title="Charlotte Flair">Charlotte Flair</a> (<i>pictured</i>) won the <a href="/wiki/WWE_SmackDown_Women%27s_Championship" title="WWE SmackDown Women&#39;s Championship">WWE SmackDown Women's Championship</a>.
  480. </td></tr>
  481. <tr>
  482. <td>8
  483. </td>
  484. <td><a href="/wiki/Christine_Blasey_Ford" title="Christine Blasey Ford">Christine Blasey Ford</a>
  485. </td>
  486. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  487. </td>
  488. <td>625,685
  489. </td>
  490. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Dr_Christine_Blasey_Ford_during_exchange_with_US_Senator_Dick_Durbin_04_(cropped_namecard).png" class="image"><img alt="Dr Christine Blasey Ford during exchange with US Senator Dick Durbin 04 (cropped namecard).png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Dr_Christine_Blasey_Ford_during_exchange_with_US_Senator_Dick_Durbin_04_%28cropped_namecard%29.png/100px-Dr_Christine_Blasey_Ford_during_exchange_with_US_Senator_Dick_Durbin_04_%28cropped_namecard%29.png" width="100" height="101" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Dr_Christine_Blasey_Ford_during_exchange_with_US_Senator_Dick_Durbin_04_%28cropped_namecard%29.png/150px-Dr_Christine_Blasey_Ford_during_exchange_with_US_Senator_Dick_Durbin_04_%28cropped_namecard%29.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Dr_Christine_Blasey_Ford_during_exchange_with_US_Senator_Dick_Durbin_04_%28cropped_namecard%29.png/200px-Dr_Christine_Blasey_Ford_during_exchange_with_US_Senator_Dick_Durbin_04_%28cropped_namecard%29.png 2x" data-file-width="517" data-file-height="524" /></a>
  491. </td>
  492. <td style="text-align:left">The testimony of this college professor accusing Brett Kavanaugh (#2) of sexually assaulting her back in high school inspired an <a href="/wiki/FBI" class="mw-redirect" title="FBI">FBI</a> supplemental background investigation... without the statements by herself, Kavanaugh, and dozens of other witnesses due to restrictions imposed by the White House. Go figure. Ford still doesn't want him impeached, hoping <a href="/wiki/United_States_elections,_2018" title="United States elections, 2018">the mid-term elections</a> elects mostly <a href="/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)" title="Democratic Party (United States)">Democrats</a>.
  493. </td></tr>
  494. <tr>
  495. <td>9
  496. </td>
  497. <td><a href="/wiki/Patrick_Mahomes" title="Patrick Mahomes">Patrick Mahomes</a>
  498. </td>
  499. <td><img alt="Start-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/16px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png" title="Start-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/23px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/31px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  500. </td>
  501. <td>541,537
  502. </td>
  503. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Patrick_Mahomes_military_appreciation2018_(cropped).jpg" class="image"><img alt="Patrick Mahomes military appreciation2018 (cropped).jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Patrick_Mahomes_military_appreciation2018_%28cropped%29.jpg/100px-Patrick_Mahomes_military_appreciation2018_%28cropped%29.jpg" width="100" height="106" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Patrick_Mahomes_military_appreciation2018_%28cropped%29.jpg/150px-Patrick_Mahomes_military_appreciation2018_%28cropped%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Patrick_Mahomes_military_appreciation2018_%28cropped%29.jpg/200px-Patrick_Mahomes_military_appreciation2018_%28cropped%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1044" data-file-height="1110" /></a>
  504. </td>
  505. <td style="text-align:left">The <a href="/wiki/2018_Kansas_City_Chiefs_season" title="2018 Kansas City Chiefs season">2018 Kansas City Chiefs season</a> so far has been a 5‒0, so the quarterback responsible is at the center of attention.
  506. </td></tr>
  507. <tr>
  508. <td>10
  509. </td>
  510. <td><a href="/wiki/Lady_Gaga" title="Lady Gaga">Lady Gaga</a>
  511. </td>
  512. <td><img alt="Featured article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/16px-Featured_article_star.svg.png" title="Featured article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/24px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Featured_article_star.svg/32px-Featured_article_star.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="180" />
  513. </td>
  514. <td>493,663
  515. </td>
  516. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Lady_Gaga_A-Yo_JWT,_2018-01-31_(cropped).jpg" class="image"><img alt="Lady Gaga A-Yo JWT, 2018-01-31 (cropped).jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Lady_Gaga_A-Yo_JWT%2C_2018-01-31_%28cropped%29.jpg/100px-Lady_Gaga_A-Yo_JWT%2C_2018-01-31_%28cropped%29.jpg" width="100" height="118" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Lady_Gaga_A-Yo_JWT%2C_2018-01-31_%28cropped%29.jpg/150px-Lady_Gaga_A-Yo_JWT%2C_2018-01-31_%28cropped%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Lady_Gaga_A-Yo_JWT%2C_2018-01-31_%28cropped%29.jpg/200px-Lady_Gaga_A-Yo_JWT%2C_2018-01-31_%28cropped%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2592" data-file-height="3046" /></a>
  517. </td>
  518. <td style="text-align:left">Stefani Germanotta followed the steps of <a href="/wiki/Janet_Gaynor" title="Janet Gaynor">Janet Gaynor</a>, <a href="/wiki/Judy_Garland" title="Judy Garland">Judy Garland</a> and <a href="/wiki/Barbra_Streisand" title="Barbra Streisand">Barbra Streisand</a> by getting the lead role in <i>A Star is Born</i> (#3), with acclaim that must have satisfied a woman who once sung "<a href="/wiki/Applause_(Lady_Gaga_song)" title="Applause (Lady Gaga song)">I live for the applause</a>".
  519. </td></tr></tbody></table>
  520. <div class="reflist" style="list-style-type: lower-alpha;">
  521. <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references">
  522. <li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-3">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">though <a href="/wiki/A_Star_Is_Born_(1937_film)" title="A Star Is Born (1937 film)">the first</a> is about actors—<a href="/wiki/The_Artist_(film)" title="The Artist (film)">sounds familiar</a>?</span>
  523. </li>
  524. </ol></div></div>
  525. </div>
  526. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  527. <h3><span id="Supreme_Allegations_.28September_23_to_29.29"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Supreme_Allegations_(September_23_to_29)">Supreme Allegations (September 23 to 29)</span></h3>
  528. </div>
  529. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  530. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_(September_23_to_29,_2018).png" class="image"><img alt="Horizontal bar graph depicting the most popular Wikipedia articles for the week of September 23 to 29, 2018" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28September_23_to_29%2C_2018%29.png/300px-Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28September_23_to_29%2C_2018%29.png" width="300" height="267" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28September_23_to_29%2C_2018%29.png/450px-Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28September_23_to_29%2C_2018%29.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28September_23_to_29%2C_2018%29.png/600px-Most_Popular_Wikipedia_Articles_of_the_Week_%28September_23_to_29%2C_2018%29.png 2x" data-file-width="2350" data-file-height="2090" /></a></div></div>
  531. </div>
  532. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  533. <p>More so than any report in recent memory, this iteration of the Top 25 Report is dominated by one major story: the ongoing confirmation hearings of <a href="/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh" title="Brett Kavanaugh">Brett Kavanaugh</a> for the vacant seat on the US Supreme Court, and the allegations of sexual misconduct levied against him. The story accounts directly for some eight of the items listed below, the majority of which reside in the top half. With view counts of just over 300,000 sufficient for a place in the report, there is no denying that it was a quiet week for Wikipedians. However, the perusers of the encyclopedia ensured that the report has some diversity, with entries originating from the silver screen, the back pages of the newspapers, and even <a href="/wiki/Reddit" title="Reddit">Reddit</a>. Thus, an undeniably unusual report, dogged by sexual assault and the cryptic complexity of American politics; yet nonetheless, a curious list, and one that we hope you enjoy.
  534. </p><p>Without further ado, for the week of September 23 to 29, 2018 the 25 most popular articles on Wikipedia, as determined from the <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/861824375" title="Special:PermanentLink/861824375">WP:5000 report</a> were:
  535. </p>
  536. <div style="clear:both;"></div>
  537. </div>
  538. <div style="line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  539. <table class="wikitable" style="text-align:center">
  540.  
  541. <tbody><tr>
  542. <th>Rank
  543. </th>
  544. <th>Article
  545. </th>
  546. <th>Class
  547. </th>
  548. <th>Views
  549. </th>
  550. <th>Image
  551. </th>
  552. <th>About
  553. </th></tr>
  554. <tr>
  555. <td>1
  556. </td>
  557. <td><a href="/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh" title="Brett Kavanaugh">Brett Kavanaugh</a>
  558. </td>
  559. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  560. </td>
  561. <td>2,451,649
  562. </td>
  563. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Brett Kavanaugh 2018.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg/100px-Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg" width="100" height="142" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg/150px-Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg/200px-Brett_Kavanaugh_2018.jpg 2x" data-file-width="290" data-file-height="413" /></a>
  564. </td>
  565. <td style="text-align:left" rowspan="2">History has a tendency to repeat itself, it seems. In 1991, a <a href="/wiki/George_H._W._Bush" title="George H. W. Bush">Republican</a> <a href="/wiki/Clarence_Thomas" title="Clarence Thomas">nominee</a> for <a href="/wiki/SCOTUS" class="mw-redirect" title="SCOTUS">SCOTUS</a> was embroiled in controversy during their confirmation hearing as a result of allegations of sexual harassment made by our #7, leading to furore and debate galore amongst the public and a chasm-like schism between members of <a href="/wiki/US_Congress" class="mw-redirect" title="US Congress">Congress</a> on the issue. Once again, this week, <a href="/wiki/Capitol_Hill" title="Capitol Hill">Capitol Hill</a> has consumed itself with such matters, as Kavanaugh, <a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump" title="Donald Trump">Trump</a>'s nominee for the <a href="/wiki/Anthony_Kennedy" title="Anthony Kennedy">vacant</a> seat on the court, has been accused of sexual assault by Ford, and this has inadvertently created a political firestorm, with raging rhetoric between those who believe the allegations and those who accuse them of being a political stunt aimed to stall the nomination until <a href="/wiki/Mid-term_election" class="mw-redirect" title="Mid-term election">mid-terms</a>. Evidently, this has captivated Wikipedians worldwide.
  566. </td></tr>
  567. <tr>
  568. <td>2
  569. </td>
  570. <td><a href="/wiki/Christine_Blasey_Ford" title="Christine Blasey Ford">Christine Blasey Ford</a>
  571. </td>
  572. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  573. </td>
  574. <td>1,613,591
  575. </td>
  576. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Dr_Christine_Blasey_Ford_during_exchange_with_US_Senator_Dick_Durbin_04_(cropped_namecard).png" class="image"><img alt="Dr Christine Blasey Ford during exchange with US Senator Dick Durbin 04 (cropped namecard).png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Dr_Christine_Blasey_Ford_during_exchange_with_US_Senator_Dick_Durbin_04_%28cropped_namecard%29.png/100px-Dr_Christine_Blasey_Ford_during_exchange_with_US_Senator_Dick_Durbin_04_%28cropped_namecard%29.png" width="100" height="101" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Dr_Christine_Blasey_Ford_during_exchange_with_US_Senator_Dick_Durbin_04_%28cropped_namecard%29.png/150px-Dr_Christine_Blasey_Ford_during_exchange_with_US_Senator_Dick_Durbin_04_%28cropped_namecard%29.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Dr_Christine_Blasey_Ford_during_exchange_with_US_Senator_Dick_Durbin_04_%28cropped_namecard%29.png/200px-Dr_Christine_Blasey_Ford_during_exchange_with_US_Senator_Dick_Durbin_04_%28cropped_namecard%29.png 2x" data-file-width="517" data-file-height="524" /></a>
  577. </td></tr>
  578. <tr>
  579. <td>3
  580. </td>
  581. <td><a href="/wiki/Bill_Cosby" title="Bill Cosby">Bill Cosby</a>
  582. </td>
  583. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  584. </td>
  585. <td>836,293
  586. </td>
  587. <td><a href="/wiki/File:BillCosbyMugshot2018.jpg" class="image"><img alt="BillCosbyMugshot2018.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/BillCosbyMugshot2018.jpg/100px-BillCosbyMugshot2018.jpg" width="100" height="125" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/BillCosbyMugshot2018.jpg/150px-BillCosbyMugshot2018.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/BillCosbyMugshot2018.jpg/200px-BillCosbyMugshot2018.jpg 2x" data-file-width="351" data-file-height="438" /></a>
  588. </td>
  589. <td style="text-align:left">Completing a trio of <a href="/wiki/Sexual_assault" title="Sexual assault">sexual assault</a> related stories in the Top 3 for this week, we have the sweater-wearing celebrity behind <i><a href="/wiki/The_Cosby_Show" title="The Cosby Show">The Cosby Show</a></i>, who has seen his star fall dramatically amidst a conviction for <a href="/wiki/Bill_Cosby_sexual_assault_cases" title="Bill Cosby sexual assault cases">rape</a>. Cosby, once dubbed "America's Dad" at the height of his popularity, was sentenced to a jail sentence of between 3 to 10 years during the week, leading vast swathes of Wikipedians towards his article.
  590. </td></tr>
  591. <tr>
  592. <td>4
  593. </td>
  594. <td><a href="/wiki/Deaths_in_2018" title="Deaths in 2018">Deaths in 2018</a>
  595. </td>
  596. <td><img alt="List-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/16px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png" title="List-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/23px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Symbol_list_class.svg/31px-Symbol_list_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  597. </td>
  598. <td>719,113
  599. </td>
  600. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Grim_reaper_(5110643225).jpg" class="image"><img alt="Grim reaper (5110643225).jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg/100px-Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg" width="100" height="75" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg/150px-Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg/200px-Grim_reaper_%285110643225%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2592" data-file-height="1944" /></a>
  601. </td>
  602. <td style="text-align:left">Once again, the list of the fallen attracted swarms of Wikipedia's denizens, morbid curiosity and intrigue propelling them to the list like a moth to a flame (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/moth-lamp">bröther</a>). Interestingly, the list remains so high despite the fact that none of the victims of the <a href="/wiki/Grim_Reaper" class="mw-redirect" title="Grim Reaper">Reaper</a> feature in this iteration of the report.
  603. </td></tr>
  604. <tr>
  605. <td>5
  606. </td>
  607. <td><a href="/wiki/Lindsey_Graham" title="Lindsey Graham">Lindsey Graham</a>
  608. </td>
  609. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  610. </td>
  611. <td>616,461
  612. </td>
  613. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Msc2012_20120205_023_Lesley_Graham_during_the_panel_Frank_Plitt.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Msc2012 20120205 023 Lesley Graham during the panel Frank Plitt.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Msc2012_20120205_023_Lesley_Graham_during_the_panel_Frank_Plitt.jpg/100px-Msc2012_20120205_023_Lesley_Graham_during_the_panel_Frank_Plitt.jpg" width="100" height="139" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Msc2012_20120205_023_Lesley_Graham_during_the_panel_Frank_Plitt.jpg/150px-Msc2012_20120205_023_Lesley_Graham_during_the_panel_Frank_Plitt.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Msc2012_20120205_023_Lesley_Graham_during_the_panel_Frank_Plitt.jpg/200px-Msc2012_20120205_023_Lesley_Graham_during_the_panel_Frank_Plitt.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2423" data-file-height="3369" /></a>
  614. </td>
  615. <td style="text-align:left">Lindsey Graham has taken a starring role in the investigation and confirmation hearings of #1, representing the <a href="/wiki/Grand_Old_Party" class="mw-redirect" title="Grand Old Party">GOP</a> by supporting Kavanaugh in spite of the allegations. This has led media outlets to declare him to be Trump's greatest ally in the <a href="/wiki/United_States_Senate" title="United States Senate">Senate</a>. Graham seems determined to enact the President's will to select a nominee for the Supreme Court, as detailed in the Constitution. Luckily, Graham has always upheld the importance of this <a href="/wiki/Merrick_Garland" title="Merrick Garland">executive right</a>.
  616. </td></tr>
  617. <tr>
  618. <td>6
  619. </td>
  620. <td><i><a href="/wiki/Tha_Carter_V" title="Tha Carter V">Tha Carter V</a></i>
  621. </td>
  622. <td><img alt="Start-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/16px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png" title="Start-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/23px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/31px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  623. </td>
  624. <td>601,874
  625. </td>
  626. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Lil_Wayne_(23513397583).jpg" class="image"><img alt="Lil Wayne (23513397583).jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Lil_Wayne_%2823513397583%29.jpg/100px-Lil_Wayne_%2823513397583%29.jpg" width="100" height="133" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Lil_Wayne_%2823513397583%29.jpg/150px-Lil_Wayne_%2823513397583%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Lil_Wayne_%2823513397583%29.jpg/200px-Lil_Wayne_%2823513397583%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3888" data-file-height="5184" /></a>
  627. </td>
  628. <td style="text-align:left">The long-delayed and possibly last album by rapper <a href="/wiki/Lil_Wayne" title="Lil Wayne">Lil Wayne</a> (#8) got finally released on September 28.
  629. </td></tr>
  630. <tr>
  631. <td>7
  632. </td>
  633. <td><a href="/wiki/Anita_Hill" title="Anita Hill">Anita Hill</a>
  634. </td>
  635. <td><img alt="C-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/16px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" title="C-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/31px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  636. </td>
  637. <td>575,395
  638. </td>
  639. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Anita_Hill_at_Harvard_Law_School_Sep_2014.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Anita Hill at Harvard Law School Sep 2014.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Anita_Hill_at_Harvard_Law_School_Sep_2014.jpg/100px-Anita_Hill_at_Harvard_Law_School_Sep_2014.jpg" width="100" height="126" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Anita_Hill_at_Harvard_Law_School_Sep_2014.jpg/150px-Anita_Hill_at_Harvard_Law_School_Sep_2014.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Anita_Hill_at_Harvard_Law_School_Sep_2014.jpg/200px-Anita_Hill_at_Harvard_Law_School_Sep_2014.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1157" data-file-height="1459" /></a>
  640. </td>
  641. <td style="text-align:left">Anita Hill was a major source of controversy in American politics of the early 1990s, shaking Capitol Hill in a manner which only <a href="/wiki/Monica_Lewinski" class="mw-redirect" title="Monica Lewinski">Monica Lewinski</a> would replicate throughout the decade. Hill alleged that she had been the victim of sexual harassment perpetrated by <a href="/wiki/Clarence_Thomas" title="Clarence Thomas">Clarence Thomas</a> (#12) during his <a href="/wiki/Clarence_Thomas_Supreme_Court_nomination" title="Clarence Thomas Supreme Court nomination">confirmation</a> hearing for the <a href="/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States" title="Supreme Court of the United States">Supreme Court</a>. The controversy swirling around #1 and #2 has obviously brought Wikipedia's attention back to this starkly similar case. History has a tendency to repeat itself, it seems.
  642. </td></tr>
  643. <tr>
  644. <td>8
  645. </td>
  646. <td><a href="/wiki/Lil_Wayne" title="Lil Wayne">Lil Wayne</a>
  647. </td>
  648. <td><img alt="B-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/16px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png" title="B-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/23px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/31px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  649. </td>
  650. <td>570,512
  651. </td>
  652. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Gila_Monster_head.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Gila Monster head.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Gila_Monster_head.jpg/100px-Gila_Monster_head.jpg" width="100" height="91" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Gila_Monster_head.jpg/150px-Gila_Monster_head.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Gila_Monster_head.jpg/200px-Gila_Monster_head.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1458" data-file-height="1321" /></a>
  653. </td>
  654. <td style="text-align:left">Dwayne Carter, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://genius.com/Lil-wayne-best-rapper-alive-lyrics">self-proclaimed "Best Rapper Alive"</a> who isn't one of the <a href="/wiki/Reptilians" title="Reptilians">Reptilians</a> but certainly looks like a giant <a href="/wiki/Gila_monster" title="Gila monster">gila monster</a>, released <i>Tha Carter V</i> (#6) after six years of work.
  655. </td></tr>
  656. <tr>
  657. <td>9
  658. </td>
  659. <td><a href="/wiki/Tiger_Woods" title="Tiger Woods">Tiger Woods</a>
  660. </td>
  661. <td><img alt="Good article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" title="Good article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/31px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  662. </td>
  663. <td>560,038
  664. </td>
  665. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Tiger_Woods_2018.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Tiger Woods 2018.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Tiger_Woods_2018.jpg/100px-Tiger_Woods_2018.jpg" width="100" height="152" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Tiger_Woods_2018.jpg/150px-Tiger_Woods_2018.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Tiger_Woods_2018.jpg/200px-Tiger_Woods_2018.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1477" data-file-height="2240" /></a>
  666. </td>
  667. <td style="text-align:left">The most famous name in world golf, and the second most decorated player ever, both in terms of <a href="/wiki/List_of_golfers_with_most_PGA_Tour_wins" title="List of golfers with most PGA Tour wins">PGA Tour wins</a> and <a href="/wiki/List_of_men%27s_major_championships_winning_golfers" title="List of men&#39;s major championships winning golfers">majors</a>, Tiger Woods has exploded back into the spotlight this season, rediscovering form after—to the world—it seemed he was finished. Tiger confirmed his return as one of the sport's <a href="/wiki/Apex_predator" title="Apex predator">apex predators</a> with a comfortable victory at the season-ending <a href="/wiki/Tour_Championship" title="Tour Championship">Tour Championship</a>, and subsequently celebrated by losing four games for the US team at #16. Next month, he will face <a href="/wiki/Phil_Mickelson" title="Phil Mickelson">Phil Mickelson</a> in a winner-takes-all match in <a href="/wiki/Las_Vegas" title="Las Vegas">Vegas</a>. If Phil's game is as desolate as his <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45xF1C76I88">dancing</a> (thank me later), then Tiger will likely reign supreme.
  668. </td></tr>
  669. <tr>
  670. <td>10
  671. </td>
  672. <td><a href="/wiki/Asia_Cup" title="Asia Cup">Asia Cup</a>
  673. </td>
  674. <td><img alt="Start-Class article" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/16px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png" title="Start-Class article" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/23px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Symbol_start_class.svg/31px-Symbol_start_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" />
  675. </td>
  676. <td>485,664
  677. </td>
  678. <td><a href="/wiki/File:Cricket_ball_on_grass.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Cricket ball on grass.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Cricket_ball_on_grass.jpg/100px-Cricket_ball_on_grass.jpg" width="100" height="75" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Cricket_ball_on_grass.jpg/150px-Cricket_ball_on_grass.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Cricket_ball_on_grass.jpg/200px-Cricket_ball_on_grass.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2272" data-file-height="1704" /></a>
  679. </td>
  680. <td style="text-align:left"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><a href="/wiki/Dreadlock_Holiday" title="Dreadlock Holiday"><i>I don't like cricket, no, oh no; I love it</i></a></div><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>The <a href="/wiki/Indian_sub-continent" class="mw-redirect" title="Indian sub-continent">Indian sub-continent</a> has an affinity (to put it mildly) for <a href="/wiki/Cricket" title="Cricket">cricket</a>. Throughout the past fortnight, fans of the sport were treated to a veritable festival of the game, played using its more approachable <a href="/wiki/One_Day_International" title="One Day International">ODI</a> system, as the best nations of Asia competed fiercely with each other. This tournament, played in the <a href="/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates" title="United Arab Emirates">UAE</a> culminated with a closely contested <a href="/wiki/2018_Asia_Cup_Final" title="2018 Asia Cup Final">clash</a> between reigning champions <a href="/wiki/Indian_national_cricket_team" class="mw-redirect" title="Indian national cricket team">India</a> and their <a href="/wiki/Bangladesh_national_cricket_team" title="Bangladesh national cricket team">Bengali neighbours</a>, with India triumphing by three <a href="/wiki/Wicket_(cricket)" class="mw-redirect" title="Wicket (cricket)">wickets</a> to retain their throne.
  681. </td></tr></tbody></table>
  682. </div>
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  684. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Exclusions">Exclusions</span></h3>
  685. <ul><li>These lists exclude the Wikipedia main page, non-article pages (such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Red_link" title="Wikipedia:Red link">redlinks</a>), and anomalous entries (such as DDoS attacks or likely automated views). Since mobile view data became available to the Report in October 2014, we exclude articles that have almost no mobile views (5–6% or less) or almost all mobile views (94–95% or more) because they are very likely to be automated views based on our experience and research of the issue. Please feel free to discuss any removal on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Top_25_Report" title="Wikipedia talk:Top 25 Report">Top 25 Report talk page</a> if you wish.</li></ul>
  686. </div>
  687. <div style="clear:both"></div>
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  693. <div class="signpost-inthisissue" style="width:35%; float:right;flex:1 0 300px;order:2;"><div style="padding-top:10px; margin-left:20px; color:#333; line-height:130%;"><div style="padding-bottom:5px; min-height:50px; border-bottom:1px solid #AAA; margin-bottom:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"><div class="floatright"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost"><img alt="S" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/40px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png" width="40" height="48" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/60px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/80px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="46" data-file-height="55" /></a></div><span style="line-height:120%; font-size:155%; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase;">In this issue</span></div><div style="font-size:100%; color:#333; line-height:180%; padding-top:5px;"><span style="text-transform:uppercase; color:#999; font-size:110%; font-weight:bold; line-height:150%; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives/2018-10-28" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives/2018-10-28">28 October 2018</a><br /></span><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/From_the_editors" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/From the editors">From the editors</a>
  694. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Op-ed" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Op-ed">Op-ed</a>
  695. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/News_and_notes" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/News and notes">News and notes</a>
  696. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In the media">In the media</a>
  697. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Discussion_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Discussion report">Discussion report</a>
  698. </li><li><span style="color:#444;"><b>Traffic report</b></span>
  699. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Technology_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Technology report">Technology report</a>
  700. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Special_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Special report">Special report</a>
  701. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Special_report_2" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Special report 2">Special report 2</a>
  702. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In focus">In focus</a>
  703. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Gallery" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Gallery">Gallery</a>
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  713. <ul><li>I wonder, is <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r852319148">.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">Ugh. Don't remind me that this guy is on the Supreme Court. What a sad, sad day for America. Please, never mention this name to me ever again, unless it's part of an impeachment effort. </q> an accepted way to comment on a sensitive political issue? <a href="/wiki/User:Jo-Jo_Eumerus" title="User:Jo-Jo Eumerus">Jo-Jo Eumerus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jo-Jo_Eumerus" title="User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus">talk</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo_Eumerus" title="Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus">contributions</a>) 19:54, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
  714. <dl><dd>Does anyone know if traffic reports are conventionally supposed to be NPOV like articles are? --<a href="/wiki/User:Joshualouie711" title="User:Joshualouie711">Joshualouie711</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshualouie711" title="User talk:Joshualouie711">talk</a></sup> 21:26, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
  715. <dl><dd>Under the recent generations of leadership of <i>The Signpost</i> it seems there is less emphasis on NPOV here than before. I think we should be careful about it. Bias is bias, and even if its only a traffic report, I think its best to keep such statements to the op-eds. It also contributes to the narrative that Wikipedia is a collection of left-leaning perspectives. And a comment such as the one made about Kavanaugh betrays an American-oriented bias, which I think is most disappointing for our users. I doubt the editors have ever made such comments about politics outside the West, and that in its own right shows a different from of bias, regardless of where the relevant comment falls on the left-right political spectrum. -<a href="/wiki/User:Indy_beetle" title="User:Indy beetle">Indy beetle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Indy_beetle" title="User talk:Indy beetle">talk</a>) 22:58, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
  716. <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Indy_beetle" title="User:Indy beetle">Indy beetle</a> some people still fail to understand that <i>The Signpost</i> is not a collection of Wikipedia articles:  <i>The "Traffic report" section reports on the most popular articles on Wikipedia during the latest publication period, serving as a guided commentary on what was hot and what was not with the readership. As with the "Featured content" section the "Traffic report", serving as a curated list, generally has a lighter tone compared to the rest of the publication.</i> <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) 08:31, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</dd>
  717. <dd>Bias is bias <em>and it is ubiquitous</em>; there is no escape from bias by virtue of its nature. Omitting and segregating objectionable content does not free it from bias, nor are the objections from a place beyond bias, so relying on such omission and segregation to avoid bias is only successful insofar as the readers deem it no longer objectionable <em>according to their biases</em>. This is a problem not of insufficient objectivity or neutrality, but in the legitimation of objectivity and neutrality as coherent concepts and achievable goals, since only a belief in the latter can sustain the former. Unfortunately, Wikipedia clings to its fictions because they are useful and fundamental to its self-concept, so much so that their rejection is such an existential threat that only the faithless would do so. Beyond that, it is a problem of insufficient <em>participation</em>, since only through participation can one represent one's own perspective.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>The views of any post are those of its author, and the views of <i>The Signpost</i> are those of its team, since any creative work is a reflection of its creator. The same is so with biases. It is therefore unreasonable to expect any body to embody that which is beyond its constitution. If someone wishes to change those views and biases, then they are free to effect that change, in this case by participating in the creative process of producing the next issue (whether here or at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Top_25_Report" title="Wikipedia:Top 25 Report">Top 25 Report</a>, from where the "Traffic report" is sourced). Just as the response of the Wikipedia community to the gender gap and other systemic biases has been through content interventions such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red">WikiProject Women in Red</a>, the response of anyone who objects to the content and biases of <i>The Signpost</i> can intervene by writing and editing it before publication. This cannot free it from bias anymore than anyone can be, but it will help ensure the content is not deemed objectionable by the readers according to their biases, since their participation will ensure their biases are better represented in the publication. —<a href="/wiki/User:N%C3%B8kkenbuer" title="User:Nøkkenbuer">Nøkkenbuer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:N%C3%B8kkenbuer" title="User talk:Nøkkenbuer">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/N%C3%B8kkenbuer" title="Special:Contributions/Nøkkenbuer">contribs</a>) 19:28, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  718. <dl><dd>We sign the articles for a reason, it's not only a list of the popular articles, but in a way incorporates the opinion of the writer about them. And mostly, with a comedic tone to make reading more fun - to the point that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Top_25_Report/Archive_8#BLP" title="Wikipedia talk:Top 25 Report/Archive 8">when someone complained about bias</a>, <a href="/wiki/Template:Humor" title="Template:Humor">Wikipedia Humor</a> was added  atop the Top 25 Report. <a href="/wiki/User:Igordebraga" title="User:Igordebraga">igordebraga</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Igordebraga" title="User talk:Igordebraga">≠</a> 18:43, 3 November 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd>
  719. <dd>You may have noticed that this is not an article. If you need a box to put it in, it is an essay, with a byline, in Wikipedia space. If you don't like it, you may claim a full refund from your vendor. Or write your own. <br />Thank you to all the Signpost writers for your efforts to keep us informed and amused. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/213.205.240.199" title="Special:Contributions/213.205.240.199">213.205.240.199</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:213.205.240.199&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:213.205.240.199 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 23:35, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></li>
  720. <li>Just a note of appreciation for all the work you put into this page. -- <span style="font-family:Brush Script MT; font-size:15px;"><a href="/wiki/User:John_Broughton" title="User:John Broughton">John Broughton</a> </span>  <a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Broughton" title="User talk:John Broughton">(♫♫)</a> 21:22, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</li>
  721. <li>How many pantomime performers break bones during Their performances? Sad to see such a crude bias here. <a href="/wiki/User:MPJ-DK" title="User:MPJ-DK">MPJ-DK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPJ-DK" title="User talk:MPJ-DK">talk</a>) 12:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  722. <dl><dd><dl><dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r852319148"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">As in other professional wrestling promotions, WWE shows are not legitimate contests, but purely entertainment-based, featuring storyline-driven, scripted, and choreographed matches, though matches often included moves that can put performers at risk of injury if not performed correctly. This was first publicly acknowledged by WWE's owner Vince McMahon in 1989 to avoid taxes from athletic commissions. Since the 1980s, WWE publicly has branded their product as sports entertainment, acknowledging the product's roots in competitive sport and dramatic theater.</q> - that is a direct quote from the lede of our article on <a href="/wiki/WWE" title="WWE">WWE</a>. I didn't pen the piece to which you refer, but to describe it as a crude bias is highly unfair. <a href="/wiki/User:Stormy_clouds" title="User:Stormy clouds">Stormy clouds</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stormy_clouds" title="User talk:Stormy clouds">talk</a>) 19:36, 30 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl>
  723. <ul><li>Did anyone else feel like Lindsey Graham was describing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship">Wikipedia:Requests for adminship</a> with stunning accuracy during his volcanic speech? Here's <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.lgraham.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2018/9/transcript-of-graham-s-remarks-on-kavanaugh-nomination">the transcript</a>. Graham wasn't the first Republican to say that the hearing wasn't a job interview, but he hit RfA right on the head with <i>"you're looking for a fair process? You came to the wrong town at the wrong time, my friend."</i> and <i>"This is going to destroy the ability of good people to come forward because of this crap."</i> When he shouted <i>"your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Seven_Ages_of_Wikipedians#WikiTeen" title="Wikipedia:Seven Ages of Wikipedians">high school</a> yearbook!"</i>, he chillingly pointed out all the years-old incidents always brought up at RfA. There is also room for philosophical debate: Graham said <i>"To my Republican colleagues, if you vote no, you're legitimizing the most despicable thing I have seen in my time in politics."</i>, and there's often a lot of controversy about those who support RfA candidates purely because the oppose votes seem unsubstantiated. I hope I'm not turning anyone off RfA by saying all this <span class="emoji"><a href="/wiki/File:Emojione_1F615.svg" class="image"><img alt="😕" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Emojione_1F615.svg/16px-Emojione_1F615.svg.png" width="16" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Emojione_1F615.svg/24px-Emojione_1F615.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Emojione_1F615.svg/32px-Emojione_1F615.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512" /></a></span>. <span style="background-color:#cee"><a href="/wiki/User:Wumbolo" title="User:Wumbolo"><span style="color:#066;font-family:Symbol">w</span><span style="color:#066;font-family:Segoe Script">umbolo</span></a></span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wumbolo" title="User talk:Wumbolo"><span style="color:#37C;font-family:webdings">^^^</span></a> 19:00, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  724. <dl><dd><dl><dd>No. <a href="/wiki/User:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User:DragonflySixtyseven">DS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User talk:DragonflySixtyseven">talk</a>) 02:24, 1 November 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl>
  725. <dl><dt><i> Clarification, please </i></dt></dl>
  726. <ul><li>What does "this sell" mean in the phrase, "story which captivated the world this sell", in the item about Khashoggi?  – <a href="/wiki/User:Athaenara" title="User:Athaenara">Athaenara</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Athaenara" title="User talk:Athaenara"> ✉ </a> 04:08, 12 November 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  727. <dl><dd><ul><li>There were some funky typos in the <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/865344711" title="Special:PermanentLink/865344711">original incarnation</a> of that week's Top25 report. I'm sure someone will have a look and fix this one. My best guess: "this cycle" was intended. ☆ <a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">Bri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bri" title="User talk:Bri">talk</a>) 04:49, 12 November 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  728. <dl><dd><ul><li>It first appeared <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Top_25_Report/October_14_to_20,_2018&amp;diff=865344711&amp;oldid=865308844">here</a> in an edit by <a href="/wiki/User:Stormy_clouds" title="User:Stormy clouds">Stormy clouds</a>.  – <a href="/wiki/User:Athaenara" title="User:Athaenara">Athaenara</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Athaenara" title="User talk:Athaenara"> ✉ </a> 05:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  729. <dl><dd><ul><li><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Athaenara" title="User:Athaenara">Athaenara</a>:</span>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">Bri</a>:</span> - whoops. Meant to say week. My phone goes for some very curious autocorrects. Sincerest apologies, rectified now, thanks for highlighting it. <a href="/wiki/User:Stormy_clouds" title="User:Stormy clouds">Stormy clouds</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stormy_clouds" title="User talk:Stormy clouds">talk</a>) 07:11, 12 November 2018 (UTC).</li></ul>
  730. <dl><dd><ul><li>Thanks, Stormy clouds, you've wrapped this up.  – <a href="/wiki/User:Athaenara" title="User:Athaenara">Athaenara</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Athaenara" title="User talk:Athaenara"> ✉ </a> 08:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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  824. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Bot_tasks"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots" title="Wikipedia:Bots">Bot</a> tasks</span></h4>
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  826. <ul><li><span><a href="/wiki/User:EranBot" title="User:EranBot">EranBot</a>&#160;<span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/EranBot_3" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/EranBot 3">BRFA</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/EranBot" title="Special:Contributions/EranBot">contribs</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=&amp;user=EranBot"><span style="color:#002bb8">actions log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=block&amp;page=User:EranBot"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=rights&amp;page=User:EranBot"><span style="color:#002bb8">flag log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserRights/EranBot&amp;user-reason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3ABots%2FRequests+for+approval%2FEranBot%7CSuccessful+BRFA%5D%5D"><span style="color:#002bb8">user rights</span></a>)</span> (Task:&#160;3)</span>&#160;– Approved 18:51, 24 October 2018 (UTC)&#160;– bot has flag</li>
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  834. <ul><li><span><a href="/wiki/User:WOSlinkerBot" title="User:WOSlinkerBot">WOSlinkerBot</a>&#160;<span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/WOSlinkerBot" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/WOSlinkerBot">BRFA</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/WOSlinkerBot" title="Special:Contributions/WOSlinkerBot">contribs</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=&amp;user=WOSlinkerBot"><span style="color:#002bb8">actions log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=block&amp;page=User:WOSlinkerBot"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=rights&amp;page=User:WOSlinkerBot"><span style="color:#002bb8">flag log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserRights/WOSlinkerBot&amp;user-reason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3ABots%2FRequests+for+approval%2FWOSlinkerBot%7CSuccessful+BRFA%5D%5D"><span style="color:#002bb8">user rights</span></a>)</span> </span>&#160;– Open</li>
  835. <li><span><a href="/wiki/User:PkbwcgsBot" title="User:PkbwcgsBot">PkbwcgsBot</a>&#160;<span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/PkbwcgsBot" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/PkbwcgsBot">BRFA</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PkbwcgsBot" title="Special:Contributions/PkbwcgsBot">contribs</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=&amp;user=PkbwcgsBot"><span style="color:#002bb8">actions log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=block&amp;page=User:PkbwcgsBot"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=rights&amp;page=User:PkbwcgsBot"><span style="color:#002bb8">flag log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserRights/PkbwcgsBot&amp;user-reason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3ABots%2FRequests+for+approval%2FPkbwcgsBot%7CSuccessful+BRFA%5D%5D"><span style="color:#002bb8">user rights</span></a>)</span> </span>&#160;– Open</li>
  836. <li><span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ZackBot_12&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ZackBot 12 (page does not exist)">ZackBot 12</a>&#160;<span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/ZackBot_12" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/ZackBot 12">BRFA</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZackBot_12" title="Special:Contributions/ZackBot 12">contribs</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=&amp;user=ZackBot+12"><span style="color:#002bb8">actions log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=block&amp;page=User:ZackBot+12"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=rights&amp;page=User:ZackBot+12"><span style="color:#002bb8">flag log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserRights/ZackBot_12&amp;user-reason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3ABots%2FRequests+for+approval%2FZackBot+12%7CSuccessful+BRFA%5D%5D"><span style="color:#002bb8">user rights</span></a>)</span> </span>&#160;– Open</li>
  837. <li><span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ZackBot_11&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ZackBot 11 (page does not exist)">ZackBot 11</a>&#160;<span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/ZackBot_11" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/ZackBot 11">BRFA</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZackBot_11" title="Special:Contributions/ZackBot 11">contribs</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=&amp;user=ZackBot+11"><span style="color:#002bb8">actions log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=block&amp;page=User:ZackBot+11"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=rights&amp;page=User:ZackBot+11"><span style="color:#002bb8">flag log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserRights/ZackBot_11&amp;user-reason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3ABots%2FRequests+for+approval%2FZackBot+11%7CSuccessful+BRFA%5D%5D"><span style="color:#002bb8">user rights</span></a>)</span> </span>&#160;– Open</li>
  838. <li><span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RonBot_12&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RonBot 12 (page does not exist)">RonBot 12</a>&#160;<span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/RonBot_12" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/RonBot 12">BRFA</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/RonBot_12" title="Special:Contributions/RonBot 12">contribs</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=&amp;user=RonBot+12"><span style="color:#002bb8">actions log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=block&amp;page=User:RonBot+12"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=rights&amp;page=User:RonBot+12"><span style="color:#002bb8">flag log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserRights/RonBot_12&amp;user-reason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3ABots%2FRequests+for+approval%2FRonBot+12%7CSuccessful+BRFA%5D%5D"><span style="color:#002bb8">user rights</span></a>)</span> </span>&#160;– Open</li>
  839. <li><span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tom.Bot_7&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tom.Bot 7 (page does not exist)">Tom.Bot 7</a>&#160;<span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Tom.Bot_7" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Tom.Bot 7">BRFA</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tom.Bot_7" title="Special:Contributions/Tom.Bot 7">contribs</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=&amp;user=Tom.Bot+7"><span style="color:#002bb8">actions log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=block&amp;page=User:Tom.Bot+7"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=rights&amp;page=User:Tom.Bot+7"><span style="color:#002bb8">flag log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserRights/Tom.Bot_7&amp;user-reason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3ABots%2FRequests+for+approval%2FTom.Bot+7%7CSuccessful+BRFA%5D%5D"><span style="color:#002bb8">user rights</span></a>)</span> </span>&#160;– Open</li>
  840. <li><span><a href="/wiki/User:TheSandBot" title="User:TheSandBot">TheSandBot</a>&#160;<span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/TheSandBot" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/TheSandBot">BRFA</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheSandBot" title="Special:Contributions/TheSandBot">contribs</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=&amp;user=TheSandBot"><span style="color:#002bb8">actions log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=block&amp;page=User:TheSandBot"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=rights&amp;page=User:TheSandBot"><span style="color:#002bb8">flag log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserRights/TheSandBot&amp;user-reason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3ABots%2FRequests+for+approval%2FTheSandBot%7CSuccessful+BRFA%5D%5D"><span style="color:#002bb8">user rights</span></a>)</span> </span>&#160;– Open</li>
  841. <li><span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Galobot_2&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Galobot 2 (page does not exist)">Galobot 2</a>&#160;<span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Galobot_2" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Galobot 2">BRFA</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Galobot_2" title="Special:Contributions/Galobot 2">contribs</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=&amp;user=Galobot+2"><span style="color:#002bb8">actions log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=block&amp;page=User:Galobot+2"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=rights&amp;page=User:Galobot+2"><span style="color:#002bb8">flag log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserRights/Galobot_2&amp;user-reason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3ABots%2FRequests+for+approval%2FGalobot+2%7CSuccessful+BRFA%5D%5D"><span style="color:#002bb8">user rights</span></a>)</span> </span>&#160;– Open</li>
  842. <li><span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:MusikBot_II_2&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:MusikBot II 2 (page does not exist)">MusikBot II 2</a>&#160;<span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/MusikBot_II_2" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/MusikBot II 2">BRFA</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MusikBot_II_2" title="Special:Contributions/MusikBot II 2">contribs</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=&amp;user=MusikBot+II+2"><span style="color:#002bb8">actions log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=block&amp;page=User:MusikBot+II+2"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=rights&amp;page=User:MusikBot+II+2"><span style="color:#002bb8">flag log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserRights/MusikBot_II_2&amp;user-reason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3ABots%2FRequests+for+approval%2FMusikBot+II+2%7CSuccessful+BRFA%5D%5D"><span style="color:#002bb8">user rights</span></a>)</span> </span>&#160;– In trial</li>
  843. <li><span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ZackBot_11&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ZackBot 11 (page does not exist)">ZackBot 11</a>&#160;<span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/ZackBot_11" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/ZackBot 11">BRFA</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ZackBot_11" title="Special:Contributions/ZackBot 11">contribs</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=&amp;user=ZackBot+11"><span style="color:#002bb8">actions log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=block&amp;page=User:ZackBot+11"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=rights&amp;page=User:ZackBot+11"><span style="color:#002bb8">flag log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserRights/ZackBot_11&amp;user-reason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3ABots%2FRequests+for+approval%2FZackBot+11%7CSuccessful+BRFA%5D%5D"><span style="color:#002bb8">user rights</span></a>)</span> </span>&#160;– In trial</li>
  844. <li><span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Filedelinkerbot_3&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Filedelinkerbot 3 (page does not exist)">Filedelinkerbot 3</a>&#160;<span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Filedelinkerbot_3" title="Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Filedelinkerbot 3">BRFA</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Filedelinkerbot_3" title="Special:Contributions/Filedelinkerbot 3">contribs</a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=&amp;user=Filedelinkerbot+3"><span style="color:#002bb8">actions log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=block&amp;page=User:Filedelinkerbot+3"><span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;type=rights&amp;page=User:Filedelinkerbot+3"><span style="color:#002bb8">flag log</span></a>&#160;<b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserRights/Filedelinkerbot_3&amp;user-reason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3ABots%2FRequests+for+approval%2FFiledelinkerbot+3%7CSuccessful+BRFA%5D%5D"><span style="color:#002bb8">user rights</span></a>)</span> </span>&#160;– In trial: User response needed!</li></ul>
  845. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Latest_tech_news">Latest tech news</span></h4>
  846. <p>Latest <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News">tech news</a> from the Wikimedia technical community: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/40" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/40">2018 #40</a>, <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/41" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/41">#41</a>, <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/42" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/42">#42</a>, &amp; <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/43" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/43">#43</a>. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/Archives" class="extiw" title="m:Tech/News/Archives">available on Meta</a>.
  847. </p>
  848. <h5><span class="mw-headline" id="Meetings">Meetings</span></h5>
  849. <ul><li><img alt="Recurrent item" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Octicons-sync.svg/12px-Octicons-sync.svg.png" title="Recurrent item" width="12" height="16" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Octicons-sync.svg/18px-Octicons-sync.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Octicons-sync.svg/24px-Octicons-sync.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="768" data-file-height="1024" /> <img alt="Advanced item" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Octicons-tools.svg/15px-Octicons-tools.svg.png" title="Advanced item" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Octicons-tools.svg/23px-Octicons-tools.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Octicons-tools.svg/30px-Octicons-tools.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1024" data-file-height="1024" /> You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting takes place every Wednesday from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=15&amp;min=00&amp;sec=0">3:00–4:00 p.m. UTC</a>. See how to join <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting" class="extiw" title="mw:Technical Advice IRC Meeting">here</a>.</li></ul>
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  851. <div style="clear:both"></div>
  852. </div>
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  854. <div class="signpost-succession" style="margin-top:60px; font-size:116%; text-align:left; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-style:italic; border-bottom:1px solid #CCC; clear:both; padding-bottom:10px;flex:0 0 100%;">
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  856. </div>
  857. <div class="signpost-inthisissue" style="width:35%; float:right;flex:1 0 300px;order:2;"><div style="padding-top:10px; margin-left:20px; color:#333; line-height:130%;"><div style="padding-bottom:5px; min-height:50px; border-bottom:1px solid #AAA; margin-bottom:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"><div class="floatright"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost"><img alt="S" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/40px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png" width="40" height="48" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/60px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/80px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="46" data-file-height="55" /></a></div><span style="line-height:120%; font-size:155%; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase;">In this issue</span></div><div style="font-size:100%; color:#333; line-height:180%; padding-top:5px;"><span style="text-transform:uppercase; color:#999; font-size:110%; font-weight:bold; line-height:150%; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives/2018-10-28" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives/2018-10-28">28 October 2018</a><br /></span><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/From_the_editors" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/From the editors">From the editors</a>
  858. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Op-ed" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Op-ed">Op-ed</a>
  859. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/News_and_notes" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/News and notes">News and notes</a>
  860. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In the media">In the media</a>
  861. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Discussion_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Discussion report">Discussion report</a>
  862. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Traffic_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Traffic report">Traffic report</a>
  863. </li><li><span style="color:#444;"><b>Technology report</b></span>
  864. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Special_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Special report">Special report</a>
  865. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Special_report_2" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Special report 2">Special report 2</a>
  866. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In focus">In focus</a>
  867. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Gallery" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Gallery">Gallery</a>
  868. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Recent research">Recent research</a>
  869. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Humour" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Humour">Humour</a>
  870. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Opinion" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Opinion">Opinion</a>
  871. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/From_the_archives" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/From the archives">From the archives</a></li></div>
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  935.      <author>Bri, Amorymeltzer, Kudpung, Chris troutman, Nøkkenbuer</author>
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  938.      <title><![CDATA[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Special report 2]]></title>
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  940.      <description><![CDATA[Now Wikidata is six: SPARQL adds sparkle to  WMF projects.]]></description>
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  962. <span class="signpost-author">By <a href="/wiki/User:Charles_Matthews" title="User:Charles Matthews">Charles Matthews</a></span></div></div>
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  965. <p><i>Charles Matthews began regular Wikipedia editing in 2003. He is currently <a href="/wiki/Wikimedian_in_Residence" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikimedian in Residence">Wikimedian in Residence</a> at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://contentmine.org">ContentMine</a>, in Cambridge, working on the ScienceSource project. He has created over 12,000 articles on the English Wikipedia where he has made over 300,000 edits from a global count of almost one million edits to Wikimedia projects.</i>
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  967. <div class="floatleft"><a href="/wiki/File:[email protected]_Wikidata_third_Birthday_Party_at_Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V..jpg" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of Magnus Manske in October 2015, accompanied by two women, holding up a large framed award" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Land_der_Ideen_Certification_%40_Wikidata_third_Birthday_Party_at_Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V..jpg/800px-Land_der_Ideen_Certification_%40_Wikidata_third_Birthday_Party_at_Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V..jpg" width="800" height="586" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Land_der_Ideen_Certification_%40_Wikidata_third_Birthday_Party_at_Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V..jpg/1200px-Land_der_Ideen_Certification_%40_Wikidata_third_Birthday_Party_at_Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V..jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Land_der_Ideen_Certification_%40_Wikidata_third_Birthday_Party_at_Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V..jpg/1600px-Land_der_Ideen_Certification_%40_Wikidata_third_Birthday_Party_at_Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V..jpg 2x" data-file-width="2612" data-file-height="1913" /></a></div><div style="clear:left;max-width:780px;padding:5px; padding-top:0px; margin-left:10px;font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">When Wikidata was three: <a href="/wiki/Magnus_Manske" title="Magnus Manske">Magnus Manske</a> (centre) with an award for <a href="/wiki/Wikidata" title="Wikidata">Wikidata</a></div></div>
  968. <p><br />
  969. <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Sixth_Birthday" class="extiw" title="d:Wikidata:Sixth Birthday">Wikidata's sixth birthday</a> falls on 29 October, and will be celebrated by 34 Wikimedia events worldwide. Last year, indeed, there was WikiDataCon in Berlin. This time around, the cakes will be distributed far and wide.
  970. </p><p>Some people, I suppose, will still not buy into the acclaim. Here's a personal story.
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  972. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="I_get_started_on_Wikidata">I get started on Wikidata</span></h3>
  973. <p>My earliest Wikidata edits had slipped my mind. It turns out that what I added initially was the first actual statement to <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8016" class="extiw" title="d:Q8016">the item</a> on <a href="/wiki/Winston_Churchill" title="Winston Churchill">Winston Churchill</a>. When that item had only sitelinks to Wikipedias, I linked it also to Churchill's father <a href="/wiki/Randolph_Churchill" title="Randolph Churchill">Randolph</a>, in February 2013. It was a few days after I had set up a <a href="/wiki/Cambridge" title="Cambridge">Cambridge</a> meetup, which was probably the reason why I thought I should take a look.
  974. </p><p>The <a href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match" class="extiw" title="toolforge:mix-n-match">mix'n'match</a> tool, one of Wikidata's huge successes, was written by <a href="/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske" title="User:Magnus Manske">Magnus Manske</a> in 2013, though in nothing like today's form. After I made a feature request for a Wikisource tool at a meetup, he replied "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=114">I have a better idea</a>", which is now undeniable. In any case, the initial datasets on the tool were <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/#/catalog/1">catalog 1</a>, from the <i><a href="/wiki/Oxford_Dictionary_of_National_Biography" class="mw-redirect" title="Oxford Dictionary of National Biography">Oxford Dictionary of National Biography</a></i> (ODNB); and <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/#/catalog/2">catalog 2</a>, now the <a href="/wiki/Art_UK" title="Art UK">Art UK</a> person ID, that started off under the older name "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/olympiad/london/your-paintings">BBC Your Paintings</a>".
  975. </p><p>It was not, however, until after Wikimania 2014 in London that I was really drawn into Wikidata editing. That was by a problem to solve, namely how many ODNB biographies were of BBC Your Paintings artists. These days I take it for granted that I can write an <a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%0A%20%20WHERE%20%7B%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP1415%20%5B%20%5D%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP1367%20%5B%20%5D.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20">easy SPARQL query</a> and bring up an answer: as of this writing, Wikidata knows about 2088 of these matches. At the time, the two British cultural institutions were interested in this question, and were going at it by traditional methods. I also had at the back of my mind another problem: how many ODNB women were missing from the English Wikipedia? <a href="/wiki/User:Carbon_Caryatid" title="User:Carbon Caryatid">Carbon Caryatid</a> had asked me that.
  976. </p><p>So, as Wikidata turned two, I started to put time into the particular biographical area that was being opened up. By 2018 standards this was still pioneer stuff. There was no <a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org">SPARQL</a> yet, though there was Magnus's substitute <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_Query_Service" class="extiw" title="mw:Wikidata Query Service">Wikidata Query Service</a> (WDQ). Not only that, but matching implies you can solve the disambiguation question for people, and in the worst cases that can be really hard. When a common name, say "William Smith", came up, you were faced with a list that could run to several pages of hits on the exact name. Typically most of those items were undescribed, and very sparse when it came to biographical facts.
  977. </p>
  978. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Becoming_serious">Becoming serious</span></h3>
  979. </div>
  980. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  981. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikimania_2014_by_Dschwen_2953.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Portrait photograph of Andrew Gray in 2014" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Wikimania_2014_by_Dschwen_2953.jpg/300px-Wikimania_2014_by_Dschwen_2953.jpg" width="300" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Wikimania_2014_by_Dschwen_2953.jpg/450px-Wikimania_2014_by_Dschwen_2953.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Wikimania_2014_by_Dschwen_2953.jpg/600px-Wikimania_2014_by_Dschwen_2953.jpg 2x" data-file-width="5616" data-file-height="3744" /></a></div></div>
  982. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">Andrew Gray in 2014</div></div>
  983. </div>
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  985. <p>As an extension of what I had been doing on <a href="/wiki/Wikisource" title="Wikisource">Wikisource</a> with the first edition and English Wikipedia, matching the ODNB on Wikidata was a natural project. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Gray" title="User:Andrew Gray">Andrew Gray</a> did early spadework there, with Magnus providing the tech support, and we three began a long series of emails, wondering about getting other biographical datasets into mix'n'match. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.generalist.org.uk/blog/2014/wikidata-identifiers-and-the-odnb-where-next/">Andrew's pair of Wikidata blogposts from 2014</a> give the flavour.
  986. </p><p>Much heavy lifting was going on in early 2015: at that time the mix'n'match tool in gamified mode was my common approach: improved automatching has taken some of the fun, and most of the low-hanging fruit, from that mode of using it. Importantly, as the Wikidata community relaxed its view on notability, non-matched catalog entries were no longer just parked for later consideration: either they were created as items at once, or they were marked "N/A" and left on the back-burner.
  987. </p><p>So arose the project of creating items for all ODNB entries. In other words, all ODNB topics, around 60,000 of them, which include academic arcana such as "Women in trade and industry in <a href="/wiki/York" title="York">York</a> (<abbr title="active">act.</abbr> <a href="/wiki/Circa" title="Circa">c.</a><span style="white-space:nowrap;">&#8201;1300</span>&#160;– c.<span style="white-space:nowrap;">&#8201;1500</span>)" and its 14 examples, would be considered <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability" class="extiw" title="d:Wikidata:Notability">Wikidata-notable</a>. This liberal interpretation of notability that came on stream in 2015 had some odd effects, when minor figures from other catalogs got items, but now that Wikidata is at the scale of 50 million items one hardly sees it as causing genuine problems. Typical databases in the cultural sector, for example the <a href="/wiki/British_Museum" title="British Museum">British Museum</a>'s, contain many sparse entries. And (worse) often entries that one cannot match because there is no adequate identification provided. Wikidatans do delete such things.
  988. </p><p>In mid-2015, I pushed through the final stages of ODNB matching into Wikidata and, with Magnus, I helped select which further Wikidata items for Art UK artists should be created. The very interesting BBC television series <i><a href="/wiki/Britain%27s_Lost_Masterpieces" title="Britain&#39;s Lost Masterpieces">Britain's Lost Masterpieces</a></i> makes Art UK's work vividly accessible, as the presenter <a href="/wiki/Bendor_Grosvenor" title="Bendor Grosvenor">Bendor Grosvenor</a> pokes around in gallery storage looking for "old masters". Wikidata allows easier access to minor artists, with less dust and cobwebs, since over 22,000 Art UK artists, some 60% of the total, are represented. These can often be identified and merged with other items, though the scholarly challenges in a Wikidata merge can be quite serious (and instructive) just because the notability standards are quite relaxed. Consequently, I have been in a number of meetings with Art UK, explaining Wikidata.
  989. </p><p>To answer the "missing women from ODNB" question, there was the matter of filling in the "sex or gender" field, and then writing some standard <a href="/wiki/SPARQL" title="SPARQL">SPARQL</a>. I could see that the answer was about 2,000. The advance from the number to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_dictionary/ODNB" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/ODNB">an actual redlink list</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=301">created by</a> the <a href="/wiki/User:ListeriaBot" title="User:ListeriaBot">ListeriaBot</a>, was still major.
  990. </p>
  991. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="More_discovery">More discovery</span></h3>
  992. </div>
  993. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  994. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikisource_-_texts_en_April_2013.png" class="image"><img alt="Chart of pages on the English Wikisource as of 30 April 2013 depicting two lines being graphed: one of the &quot;naked&quot; pages not backed by scans, while blue shows pages backed by scans" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Wikisource_-_texts_en_April_2013.png/200px-Wikisource_-_texts_en_April_2013.png" width="200" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Wikisource_-_texts_en_April_2013.png/300px-Wikisource_-_texts_en_April_2013.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Wikisource_-_texts_en_April_2013.png/400px-Wikisource_-_texts_en_April_2013.png 2x" data-file-width="700" data-file-height="700" /></a></div></div>
  995. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">English Wikisource, growth of proof-reading directly against scans in the early 2010s</div></div>
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  998. <p>I came to the ODNB through the <i><a href="/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography" title="Dictionary of National Biography">Dictionary of National Biography</a></i> (DNB), specifically the Victorian version edited initially by <a href="/wiki/Leslie_Stephen" title="Leslie Stephen">Leslie Stephen</a>, and I found the DNB <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900" class="extiw" title="s:Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900">on Wikisource</a>. Back in 2010, I gave a talk based on about a year proof-reading the DNB at the Annual General Meeting of <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_UK" title="Wikimedia UK">Wikimedia UK</a>. There was and still is a <a href="/wiki/Discoverability" title="Discoverability">discoverability</a> issue with Wikisource, where the French version alone has a million texts. How does one locate texts on a given topic? The category system is not really designed for that, and in any case is used inconsistently by the various languages.
  999. </p><p>It turned out in 2015 that Wikidata potentially could solve this problem. Any Wikisource text, however short, warrants its own Wikidata item about the text itself. That item can have a "<a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P921" class="extiw" title="d:Property:P921">main subject</a>" statement highlighting the topic. Run queries on such statements and you have a language-independent mechanism for finding material you want on Wikisource. Bots started posting Wikidata items for all the articles in big works such as the DNB (around 30,000 of them), and in doing so created outline entries for them in Wikidata.
  1000. </p><p>I took up this direction in 2016, completing the identification of main subjects for the 30,000 metadata items of the DNB. I remember it being incredibly hard graft, even though the previous round of ODNB work meant that all the subjects of the biographies were already there. A proper matching process got into side issues and required, for good conscience, large amounts of cleanup with plenty of merging of duplicates. Fortunately, merging is easier on Wikidata than on Wikipedia.
  1001. </p><p>In 2017, I was rewarded for investing so much of my time: once I had made a key advance in my SPARQL understanding, I was able to write queries to remove the need for patrolling I did on Wikisource to see which Wikipedia articles covered the DNB topics. In a neat plot twist, it was a tool for this kind of patrolling that comes into my anecdote about the origin of mix'n'match above. I learned the facet of SPARQL I needed from <a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald">Jheald</a>. With the help of a <a href="https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=5415973" class="extiw" title="petscan:5415973">Petscan query</a>, I can do my patrolling without much effort, and so thank those here who create articles on DNB topics. The articles show up once they have a Wikidata item (caveat here about some needed merging), which frees my time to be better spent working on the backlog of articles that don't.
  1002. </p><p>SPARQL users, I should say parenthetically, form a good and collaborative community in my experience. I use the amazing full text search in mix'n'match most days for biographical research—and it too has functioning communities, the matchers and the uploaders of datasets. The more recent <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=540">TopicMatcher tool</a> supports main subject work (including "<a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P180" class="extiw" title="d:Property:P180">depicts</a>" for pictures), and therefore has the potential to take some of the grind out of the discovery trail. Specialised software is a large factor in the development of Wikidata, not just bots, though they still play a massive role as well.
  1003. </p>
  1004. </div>
  1005. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  1006. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Logo_for_ContentMine_ScienceSource.svg" class="image"><img alt="Official logo for the ContentMine ScienceSource" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Logo_for_ContentMine_ScienceSource.svg/200px-Logo_for_ContentMine_ScienceSource.svg.png" width="200" height="237" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Logo_for_ContentMine_ScienceSource.svg/300px-Logo_for_ContentMine_ScienceSource.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Logo_for_ContentMine_ScienceSource.svg/400px-Logo_for_ContentMine_ScienceSource.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="236" data-file-height="280" /></a></div></div>
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  1009. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="WikiFactMine_and_ScienceSource">WikiFactMine and ScienceSource</span></h3>
  1010. <p>In April 2017, I started work at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://contentmine.org/">ContentMine</a>, an unconventional Cambridge tech startup, as Wikimedian in Residence for the <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiFactMine" class="extiw" title="d:Wikidata:WikiFactMine">WikiFactMine project</a> supported by the Foundation. There I had <a href="/wiki/User:T_Arrow" title="User:T Arrow">T Arrow</a> as a colleague. Over five months, the first half of it based at the <a href="/wiki/Betty_and_Gordon_Moore_Library" class="mw-redirect" title="Betty and Gordon Moore Library">Betty and Gordon Moore Library</a> where I <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/CULIB/CULIB81/CULIB_81.pdf">held training sessions and blogged</a>, I saw the WikiCite initiative to get control of science bibliography take off as Tom Arrow's <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Source_MetaData/fatameh" class="extiw" title="d:Wikidata:WikiProject Source MetaData/fatameh">fatameh</a> tool was exploited to the full by bot operators on Wikidata. Tom now works as a Wikidata contractor.
  1011. </p>
  1012. </div>
  1013. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  1014. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Tom_Arrow_at_Wikimania_Hackathon_2017_15.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of Tom Arrow standing and speaking at Wikimania 2017" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Tom_Arrow_at_Wikimania_Hackathon_2017_15.jpg/175px-Tom_Arrow_at_Wikimania_Hackathon_2017_15.jpg" width="175" height="264" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Tom_Arrow_at_Wikimania_Hackathon_2017_15.jpg/263px-Tom_Arrow_at_Wikimania_Hackathon_2017_15.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Tom_Arrow_at_Wikimania_Hackathon_2017_15.jpg/350px-Tom_Arrow_at_Wikimania_Hackathon_2017_15.jpg 2x" data-file-width="799" data-file-height="1207" /></a></div></div>
  1015. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><a href="/wiki/User:T_Arrow" title="User:T Arrow">T Arrow</a> at Wikimania 2017</div></div>
  1016. </div>
  1017. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  1018. <p>Wikidata's store of items about individual scientific papers shot up, from about half a million, and reached 5 million by August that year. It now tops 18 million, with <a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org/bigdata/ldf?subject=&amp;predicate=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fprop%2Fdirect%2FP2860&amp;object=">over 150 million citation statements</a>. In October 2017, I went to WikiDataCon in Berlin, my first Wikimedia scholarship.
  1019. </p><p>There was a further Wikimedia grant to ContentMine for the ScienceSource project that started in June this year, centred on the Wikibase site at the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://sciencesource.wmflabs.org/">ScienceSource Wiki</a>. Wikibase is to Wikidata as MediaWiki is to Wikipedia: it means essentially the same software as Wikidata, if without some features, but set up as an independent site and community. There is a Wikimedia UK blogpost title "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2018/08/science-source-seeks-to-improve-reliable-referencing-on-wikipedias-medical-articles/">Science Source seeks to improve reliable referencing on Wikipedia's medical articles</a>" which is about ScienceSource, along with a set of <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:ScienceSource_mentoring" class="extiw" title="wikiversity:Wikiversity:ScienceSource mentoring">basic introductory videos</a>.
  1020. </p>
  1021. </div>
  1022. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  1023. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Betty_Gordon_Moore_Lib_Cambridge.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of the Betty and Gordon Moore Library" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Betty_Gordon_Moore_Lib_Cambridge.jpg/250px-Betty_Gordon_Moore_Lib_Cambridge.jpg" width="250" height="167" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Betty_Gordon_Moore_Lib_Cambridge.jpg/375px-Betty_Gordon_Moore_Lib_Cambridge.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Betty_Gordon_Moore_Lib_Cambridge.jpg/500px-Betty_Gordon_Moore_Lib_Cambridge.jpg 2x" data-file-width="5184" data-file-height="3456" /></a></div></div>
  1024. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">The Betty and Gordon Moore Library, on the West Cambridge mathematics campus</div></div>
  1025. </div>
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  1027. <p>The underlying idea of ScienceSource is to be more systematic about searching the biomedical literature for medical facts that can be passed with good references to Wikidata. It applies <a href="/wiki/Text_mining" title="Text mining">text mining</a>, as did WikiFactMine before it, but aims to bring it closer into the Wikimedia fold by posting the results to its Wikibase site, where SPARQL can be run over them. It will engage with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDRS">WP:MEDRS</a>, the major reliable sources guideline that applies to Wikipedia's health information, again by use of SPARQL applied to metadata. Details aside, it is a project that could hardly have been conceived without the development of Wikidata and its supporting tools. Why not on Wikisource, you cry? Here's why:
  1028. </p>
  1029. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="The_social_realities">The social realities</span></h3>
  1030. </div>
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  1032. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Cambridge_Wikidata_Workshop_20_October_2018_group_photo_with_cake.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Group photograph of the Cambridge Wikidata Workshop, with cake" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Cambridge_Wikidata_Workshop_20_October_2018_group_photo_with_cake.jpg/250px-Cambridge_Wikidata_Workshop_20_October_2018_group_photo_with_cake.jpg" width="250" height="188" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Cambridge_Wikidata_Workshop_20_October_2018_group_photo_with_cake.jpg/375px-Cambridge_Wikidata_Workshop_20_October_2018_group_photo_with_cake.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Cambridge_Wikidata_Workshop_20_October_2018_group_photo_with_cake.jpg/500px-Cambridge_Wikidata_Workshop_20_October_2018_group_photo_with_cake.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3264" data-file-height="2448" /></a></div></div>
  1033. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">Group photo at the <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:ContentMine/Cambridge_Wikidata_Workshop" class="extiw" title="d:Wikidata:ContentMine/Cambridge Wikidata Workshop">Cambridge Wikidata Workshop</a>, 20 October 2018, in Makespace, 16 Mill Lane, Cambridge UK</div></div>
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  1036. <p>I've never been seriously involved with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Infoboxes" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes">infoboxes</a>, neither here nor from the Wikidata end, yet I have ended up in a project that takes for granted their role: when ScienceSource adds statements to Wikidata, they can appear in infoboxes on Wikipedias in 300 languages.
  1037. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2017-06-23/Op-ed" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2017-06-23/Op-ed">Last time I wrote for <i>The Signpost</i></a> about Wikidata, my major theme was the "integration" of Wikimedia sites, facilitated by Wikidata. The infobox mechanism should become infrastructure for that integration and, in the way of such things, ultimately be taken for granted. "Citation reform" here can in principle be carried out as an infrastructural project using the same family of techniques around <a href="/wiki/Lua_(programming_language)" title="Lua (programming language)">Lua</a>, though the social realities mean that the frictional forces may be a serious factor for delay.
  1038. </p><p>From my current interests, I would single out the "SPARQL aggregate" as potentially having the same range of benefits for Wikimedia. SPARQL itself may become the first thought for issues of discoverability, because it can cope with disparate inputs as long as their relational structure is clear ("find me authors born in India, writing in English but with a Spanish mother"). What SPARQL aggregates do is to tack onto purely list-making queries any columns that may be computed spreadsheet-style from associated data. It appears to me a rather powerful model.
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  1124.      <pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2018 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
  1125.      <author>Charles Matthews, Bri, Daniel Mietchen, Kudpung, Chris troutman, Nøkkenbuer</author>
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  1130.      <description><![CDATA[WMF continues to stonewall development – NPP wishes again relegated to stocking fillers]]></description>
  1131.      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="mw-parser-output"><div style="display:none;" itemprop="description">WMF continues to stonewall development – NPP wishes again relegated to stocking fillers</div><div class="nomobile noprint" style="box-sizing: border-box;padding:1em 2vw;border-bottom:3px double #999; border-top:3px double #bbb; background-color:#FFF;"><div style="font-family:Wedding Text, Linotext, Old English Text MT, serif; font-size:58px; line-height:69px; padding-bottom:7px;"><div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost"><img alt="The Signpost" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Signpost2.svg/263px-Signpost2.svg.png" width="263" height="48" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Signpost2.svg/395px-Signpost2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Signpost2.svg/526px-Signpost2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="263" data-file-height="48" /></a></div></div></div>
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  1155. <p><i>Kudpung joined Wikipedia in 2006. His focus is on policy changes concerning deletions/notability, and the improvement of the new page patrolling and AfC processes. He was de facto coordinator for NPP for many years before retiring from it in March 2017. He was acting Editor-in-Chief of </i>The Signpost<i> for several months this year. The views expressed in this article are his alone and do not reflect any official opinions of this publication.</i>
  1156. </p>
  1157. <h3><span id="Just_what_is_NPP.2FNPR.3F_Why_does_it_need_YOU.3F"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Just_what_is_NPP/NPR?_Why_does_it_need_YOU?">Just what <em>is</em> NPP/NPR? Why does it need YOU?</span></h3>
  1158. </div>
  1159. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  1160. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Sock_icon.png" class="image"><img alt="Animated depiction of a red-and-white Christmas stocking" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Sock_icon.png/200px-Sock_icon.png" width="200" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Sock_icon.png 1.5x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256" /></a></div></div>
  1161. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">Fill me?</div></div>
  1162. </div>
  1163. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  1164. <p>How many of our readers actually know what goes on behind the scenes? Thousands of content contributors and maintenance workers go about their tasks without ever being involved in contentious issues and noticeboards, and may only be fleetingly aware of what a huge mechanism is required to keep Wikipedia clean and sailing on calm waters. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol">New Page Patrol</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers">New Page Review</a> are probably an enigma to many, and those who know most about it are its operators and the creators of new pages whose submissions of new articles have been subject to the process. It's a complex operation that relies on complex and sophisticated software&#160;– and a lot of skill. It needs more reviewers, but above all, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Suggested_improvements" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation/Suggested improvements">improved tools</a> for them to use which only the Wikimedia Foundation can develop.
  1165. </p><p>New Page Patrol, with its associated <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation">Page Curation</a> tools and feed, is the <em>only</em> firewall that exists to protect our encyclopedia from becoming a platform for spam, paid editing, attack pages, and gratuitous graffiti. It's arguably the most important backroom function of all – even before the work of admins who are responsible for the physical deletion of unwanted pages and maintaining some form of harmony among the deck hands and landlubbers. But let's be clear about the meaning of a firewall: in today's computer and Internet parlance the term is generally related to some security algorithms conjured up by highly skilled software engineers; but NPP is a <em>100% human task</em>, one that requires other skills, such as recognizing and mentally analyzing the articles in the daily tidal wave of new content that arrives as a result of our very open policy towards editing the encyclopedia.
  1166. </p>
  1167. <h3><span id="New_Page_Review_wasn.27t_invented_yesterday"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="New_Page_Review_wasn't_invented_yesterday">New Page Review wasn't invented yesterday</span></h3>
  1168. <p>NPP has a long history. It was probably first created, or at least the original <a href="/wiki/Special:NewPages" title="Special:NewPages">Special:NewPages</a>, as part of the MediaWiki software at the very beginning when it was realised that some form of system would need to be instigated not only to prevent the incursion of totally unsuitable material into the encyclopedia corpus, but also to accept new articles that meet our basic criteria.
  1169. </p><p>The first iteration of a guide for patrolling new pages was created <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/2809235" title="Special:PermanentLink/2809235">March 2004</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Sethant" title="User:Sethant">Sethant</a>, admin since 2004 but pretty much retired now for the last eight years. It was a far cry from the detailed set of instructions the reviewers are expected to be familiar with today, but it was start.
  1170. </p><p>By 2007, the first rumblings of a need to formalize the process began, and it soon became apparent that the quality of reviewing was uncontrolled, unsupervised, and very often a hit and miss affair, frequently exploited by spammers and their <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry" title="Wikipedia:Sock puppetry">socks</a>; and that the backlog was growing wildly out of control (20,000–30,000 pages), not to mention that unpatrolled pages just slipped neatly into the corpus after just 30 days. Like many maintenance areas that are a magnet for enthusiastic new users, much of the patrolling was carried out by inexperienced editors – and even today, some of the tasks, such as maintenance and deletion tagging, are still open to all comers.
  1171. The number of bots for NPP had gone from 0 to 16, somewhat reducing he workload of the 50 or so <em>experienced</em> users who were patrolling new pages, but still not able to stem the tide and prevent a large number of articles from lurking in the deep waters after 30 days. The process became a serious challenge to those who were striving to do it properly.
  1172. </p><p>What became to be known as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACTRIAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACTRIAL">ACTRIAL</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-03-29/Special_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-03-29/Special report"><i>The Signpost</i>, Special report, March 2018</a>) was in fact first proposed by <a href="/wiki/User:Beeblebrox" title="User:Beeblebrox">Beeblebrox</a> in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:User_access_levels/RFC_on_autoconfirmed_status_required_to_create_an_article" title="Wikipedia talk:User access levels/RFC on autoconfirmed status required to create an article">in 2009</a>, but the discussion petered out without any consensus being reached.
  1173. </p><p>By March 2011 the situation had become critical and <a href="/wiki/User:The_Blade_of_the_Northern_Lights" title="User:The Blade of the Northern Lights">The Blade of the Northern Lights</a> raised the issue again <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)/Archive_31#We_need_more_New_Page_Patrollers" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 31">at the Village Pump</a> in a section titled "We need more New Page Patrollers – <i>requiring autoconfirmation to create articles</i>", seeding the idea of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACTRIAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACTRIAL">actual trial</a>, that took place <strong>seven years later</strong> after initial and prolonged resistance from the WMF to implement the change.
  1174. </p>
  1175. </div>
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  1178. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">Video tutorial for Page Curation</div></div>
  1179. </div>
  1180. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  1181. <p>In June 2011, <a href="/wiki/User:Halfak_(WMF)" title="User:Halfak (WMF)">Aaron Halfaker</a> of the WMF initiated a <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Patroller_work_load" class="extiw" title="meta:Research:Patroller work load">research program</a>, which largely confirmed the importance of the process and the issues he had clearly identified:
  1182. </p>
  1183. <table class="cquote pullquote" role="presentation" style="margin:auto; border-collapse: collapse; border: none; background-color: transparent; width: auto;">
  1184. <tbody><tr>
  1185. <td style="width: 20px; vertical-align: top; border: none; color: darkgray; font-size: 40px; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;, Times, serif; font-weight: bold; line-height: .6em; text-align: left; padding: 10px 10px;">“
  1186. </td>
  1187. <td style="vertical-align: top; border: none; padding: 4px 10px;">New Page Patrol is a vital function of many Wikipedias as the front line of interaction between new authors and community members devoted to policing the quality of the project. It has variety of detailed, quite complex possible actions for patrolling pages in all namespaces.
  1188. </td>
  1189. <td style="width: 20px; vertical-align: bottom; border: none; color: darkgray; font-size: 40px; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;, Times, serif; font-weight: bold; line-height: .6em; text-align: right; padding: 10px 10px;">”
  1190. </td></tr>
  1191.  
  1192. </tbody></table>
  1193. <p>The research concluded with "...this analysis refute[s] the hypothesis that page patrollers' work is increasing."
  1194. </p><p>In the aftermath of <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T32208" class="extiw" title="phab:T32208">the Foundation's blunt rejection</a> of the consensus for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACTRIAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACTRIAL">ACTRIAL</a>, as a consolation prize they developed the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation">Page Curation</a> system and its feed in close collaboration with the community. They also produced <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Help" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help">excellent documentation</a> and a very well made and compelling video tutorial.
  1195. </p>
  1196. </div>
  1197. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  1198. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Backlog_of_unreviewed_new_pages_as_at_30_May_2017.png" class="image"><img alt="Graph depicting the backlog of unreviewed new pages between 2016 and 2017: rapid increase in the second half of 2016, flattening until February 2018, decrease during February, and then resumption of a steeper incline until mid-May 2018" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c2/Backlog_of_unreviewed_new_pages_as_at_30_May_2017.png/350px-Backlog_of_unreviewed_new_pages_as_at_30_May_2017.png" width="350" height="314" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c2/Backlog_of_unreviewed_new_pages_as_at_30_May_2017.png/525px-Backlog_of_unreviewed_new_pages_as_at_30_May_2017.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c2/Backlog_of_unreviewed_new_pages_as_at_30_May_2017.png/700px-Backlog_of_unreviewed_new_pages_as_at_30_May_2017.png 2x" data-file-width="978" data-file-height="877" /></a></div></div>
  1199. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">Backlog of unreviewed new pages<br />between 2016 and 2017</div></div>
  1200. </div>
  1201. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  1202. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Crisis">Crisis</span></h3>
  1203. <p>In early 2017 the backlog had again reached crisis proportions with a backlog in the tens of thousands. Reviewers finally decided that they had the technical means to implement ACTRIAL locally and announced they would go ahead, whereupon the WMF finally relented and even provided in-depth research and support. The 6-month trial was carried out, and refuting their initial claims and concerns, the results of the Foundation's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed_article_creation_trial#Results_and_followup" title="Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed article creation trial">post-trial analysis</a> conceded that there had been no detrimental effect to editor retention, nor had any significant loss of potential appropriate new articles been recorded. The trial was ratified by a further RfC (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-04-26/Special_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-04-26/Special report"><i>The Signpost</i>, Special report April 2018</a>), and the restriction on article creation in mainspace by new users was made permanent.
  1204. </p>
  1205. <h3><span id="Who_are_New_Page_Reviewers.3F"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Who_are_New_Page_Reviewers?">Who are New Page Reviewers?</span></h3>
  1206. <table class="cquote pullquote" role="presentation" style="margin:auto; border-collapse: collapse; border: none; background-color: transparent; width: auto;">
  1207. <tbody><tr>
  1208. <td style="width: 20px; vertical-align: top; border: none; color: darkgray; font-size: 40px; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;, Times, serif; font-weight: bold; line-height: .6em; text-align: left; padding: 10px 10px;">“
  1209. </td>
  1210. <td style="vertical-align: top; border: none; padding: 4px 10px;">I've been a vandal patroller for a long time. Now I think I'll help out with New pages patrol – but it's a lot harder. I've read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">WP:CSD</a>, etc. but many articles are judgment calls and judgment is something that takes time to develop.
  1211. </td>
  1212. <td style="width: 20px; vertical-align: bottom; border: none; color: darkgray; font-size: 40px; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;, Times, serif; font-weight: bold; line-height: .6em; text-align: right; padding: 10px 10px;">”
  1213. </td></tr>
  1214. <tr>
  1215. <td colspan="3" class="cquotecite" style="border: none; padding-right: 4%; font-size: smaller; line-height:normal; text-align: right;"><cite>—&#8201;<a href="/wiki/User:Sbowers3" title="User:Sbowers3">Sbowers3</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/172414865" title="Special:Diff/172414865">19 November 2007</a>)</cite>
  1216. </td></tr></tbody></table>
  1217. <p>The questions that arose therefore were: Who is sufficiently qualified to accept articles or label them for extinction; and how can the patrollers, or nowadays more aptly called <i>reviewers</i>, go about this task which all agree is onerous and often depressing? As a consequence, a new user group, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers">New Page Reviewers</a>, for qualified reviewers, was created in October 2016.
  1218. </p><p>There are currently <a href="/wiki/Special:ListUsers/patroller" title="Special:ListUsers/patroller">662</a> New Page Reviewers, which makes the total number of users with this permission 1,862 (the rest are administrators).
  1219. </p><p>It needs a near-admin level of understanding of our hugely complex system of policies and guidelines for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest" title="Wikipedia:Conflict of interest">conflict of interest</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright_violation" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Copyright violation">copyright violation</a>, and just simply <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not" title="Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not">What Wikipedia is not</a>. After adminship, New Page Reviewer is possibly the most important of all the special user rights.
  1220. </p><p>As hinted on by WMF executive director <a href="/wiki/Katherine_Maher" title="Katherine Maher">Katherine Maher</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-06-29/Special_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-06-29/Special report"><i>The Signpost</i>, Special report, June 2018</a>), one of the problems of NPP was that the system was accessible to all registered users regardless of whether they were qualified to assess and accept or reject new content. The present situation is that while anyone can still tag pages for maintenance or deletion by using <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Twinkle" title="Wikipedia:Twinkle">Twinkle</a>, overall control over accepting new pages is the realm of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPR">authorized reviewers</a> who are able to mark pages as 'patrolled'. Although this ensures that new articles are given an equitable assessment, it cannot prevent new users from being bitten by rough handling by less experienced editors who do not have the New Page Reviewer flag on their accounts.
  1221. </p>
  1222. <h3 style="text-align:center; border-bottom: 2px solid #cccccc; padding-bottom: 0.25em; font-weight:bold"><span class="mw-headline" id="New_Page_Review_needs_YOU">New Page Review needs YOU</span></h3>
  1223. <p><span style="float:right; font-weight:bold; padding-bottom:1em">...and for more reasons than one!</span>
  1224. </p>
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  1226. </div>
  1227. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  1228. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:English_cocker_Jam.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of a brown English Cocker Spaniel sitting and wearing a red-and-white Santa cap in a snow-themed set" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/English_cocker_Jam.jpg/200px-English_cocker_Jam.jpg" width="200" height="300" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/English_cocker_Jam.jpg/300px-English_cocker_Jam.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/English_cocker_Jam.jpg/400px-English_cocker_Jam.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1688" data-file-height="2528" /></a></div></div>
  1229. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">The Community Tech mascot:<br />a dog wearing a Santa hat.</div></div>
  1230. </div>
  1231. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
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  1234. <td style="width: 20px; vertical-align: top; border: none; color: darkgray; font-size: 40px; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;, Times, serif; font-weight: bold; line-height: .6em; text-align: left; padding: 10px 10px;">“
  1235. </td>
  1236. <td style="vertical-align: top; border: none; padding: 4px 10px;">I find it painful that the WMF sinks massive resources into questionable projects while allocating a token few percent of time to community requested tasks.
  1237. </td>
  1238. <td style="width: 20px; vertical-align: bottom; border: none; color: darkgray; font-size: 40px; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;, Times, serif; font-weight: bold; line-height: .6em; text-align: right; padding: 10px 10px;">”
  1239. </td></tr>
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  1241. <td colspan="3" class="cquotecite" style="border: none; padding-right: 4%; font-size: smaller; line-height:normal; text-align: right;"><cite>—&#8201;<a href="/wiki/User:Alsee" title="User:Alsee">Alsee</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/865201682" title="Special:Diff/865201682">22 October 2018</a>)</cite>
  1242. </td></tr></tbody></table>
  1243. <ol style="margin-left:0">
  1244. <li><p><b>Development</b>: According to <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech" class="extiw" title="m:Community Tech">their page</a>, Community Tech states: "It's important to us... To work on projects that have a big impact". The NPR community has been asking the Wikimedia Foundation for nearly three years for essential updates and maintenance to the suite of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation">Page Curation</a> tools that were developed back in 2011. However, while this is a vital core process, Community Tech—a Foundation department and for additional confusion, also at MediaWiki's <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech" class="extiw" title="mw:Community Tech">Community Tech</a>, a slightly different page which additionally lists a team—insists that such development work will only be accepted following a successful annual poll, or "Wishlist" as they call it, for the most wanted comfort and convenience gadgets. Some of these developments have proven to be of minor benefit to editors and readers, but the broader community outside the reviewers is not certain to show much interest in NPP, a niche, but important Wikipedia function.</p>
  1245. <div class="quotebox pullquote floatleft" style="width:25%;&#32;; background-color: #c6dbf7;"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r856303512">.mw-parser-output .quotebox{background-color:#F9F9F9;border:1px solid #aaa;box-sizing:border-box;padding:10px;font-size:88%}.mw-parser-output .quotebox.floatleft{margin:0.5em 1.4em 0.8em 0}.mw-parser-output .quotebox.floatright{margin:0.5em 0 0.8em 1.4em}.mw-parser-output .quotebox.centered{margin:0.5em auto 0.8em auto}.mw-parser-output .quotebox.floatleft p,.mw-parser-output .quotebox.floatright p{font-style:inherit}.mw-parser-output .quotebox-title{background-color:#F9F9F9;text-align:center;font-size:larger;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .quotebox-quote.quoted:before{font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-weight:bold;font-size:large;color:gray;content:" “ ";vertical-align:-45%;line-height:0}.mw-parser-output .quotebox-quote.quoted:after{font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-weight:bold;font-size:large;color:gray;content:" ” ";line-height:0}.mw-parser-output .quotebox .left-aligned{text-align:left}.mw-parser-output .quotebox .right-aligned{text-align:right}.mw-parser-output .quotebox .center-aligned{text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .quotebox cite{display:block;font-style:normal}@media screen and (max-width:360px){.mw-parser-output .quotebox{min-width:100%;margin:0 0 0.8em!important;float:none!important}}</style>
  1246. <div class="quotebox-quote left-aligned" style="">"It is near impossible to get any useful software development out of the WMF in any reasonable amount of time."</div>
  1247. <p><cite class="right-aligned" style="">—&#8201;<a href="/wiki/User:MER-C" title="User:MER-C">MER-C</a></cite>
  1248. </p>
  1249. </div>
  1250. <p>Voting takes place <strong>16 to 30 November</strong> at the "<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019" class="extiw" title="m:Community Wishlist Survey 2019">Wishlist</a>" and the NPP community is hoping for a good turnout in support of the requests to Santa for the tools they need. They are counting on significant support not only from their own ranks, but from everyone who is concerned with maintaining a Wikipedia that is free of flotsam, tom-foolery, flagrant financial exploitation, and other pollution. Read what the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech" class="extiw" title="m:Community Tech">people in the pointed red hats</a> at San Francisco's North Pole have in store for the community's stocking fillers at <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019" class="extiw" title="m:Community Wishlist Survey 2019">Community Wishlist Survey 2019</a>&#160;– noting that there is not an available category for requests for work on core software extensions.</p></li>
  1251. <li><p><b>Backlog</b>: Since its inception, around 650 users have been granted the New Page Reviewer right. Many editors think perhaps, "Oh, I don't need that user right, there are plenty of reviewers already", but in reality, 90% of the reviewing is done by a small, regular corps of less than 10% of that number. Many of the reviewers were doing this work already before the user right was created and among them are some of Wikipedia's most experienced editors. Additional experienced users are needed to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/New_page_reviewer" title="Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/New page reviewer">apply for the right</a> and help out. It may seem harmless compared with the horrendous 2016–17 graph above, but while it has been proven this year that the backlog can be reduced almost to a day's intake, anything much over 1,500 is not sustainable. The chart displayed below updates in real time&#160;– check again tomorrow for an update.</p></li>
  1252. </ol>
  1253. <div class="mw-graph" style="min-width:600px;min-height:200px"><img class="mw-graph-img" src="/api/rest_v1/page/graph/png/Wikipedia%3AWikipedia_Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FSpecial_report/0/d3b33147fce6bdc232c259fbb531b92f3a211f32.png" /></div>
  1254. <p><br />
  1255. </p>
  1256. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Further_reading">Further reading</span></h3>
  1257. <ul><li><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Tech" class="extiw" title="mw:Community Tech">Community Tech</a> on the MediaWiki wiki</li>
  1258. <li><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/community-tech-sprint" class="extiw" title="phab:tag/community-tech-sprint">Community Tech sprint workboard</a> (on Phabricator)</li>
  1259. <li><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1274/" class="extiw" title="phab:project/profile/1274/">Phabricator profile</a></li>
  1260. <li><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey" class="extiw" title="m:Community Wishlist Survey">m:Community Wishlist Surveys</a> (previous years)</li>
  1261. <li><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Liaisons" class="extiw" title="m:Community Liaisons">Community Liaisons</a> to projects</li>
  1262. <li><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/Ambassadors" class="extiw" title="m:Tech/Ambassadors">Tech Ambassadors</a> at projects</li></ul>
  1263. </div>
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  1267. <div class="signpost-succession" style="margin-top:60px; font-size:116%; text-align:left; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-style:italic; border-bottom:1px solid #CCC; clear:both; padding-bottom:10px;flex:0 0 100%;">
  1268. <div style="float:right;"></div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-08-30/Special_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-08-30/Special report">← <span style="text-transform:uppercase; font-size:80%;">Previous</span> &quot;Special report&quot;</a><div style="clear:both;"></div>
  1269. </div>
  1270. <div class="signpost-inthisissue" style="width:35%; float:right;flex:1 0 300px;order:2;"><div style="padding-top:10px; margin-left:20px; color:#333; line-height:130%;"><div style="padding-bottom:5px; min-height:50px; border-bottom:1px solid #AAA; margin-bottom:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"><div class="floatright"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost"><img alt="S" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/40px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png" width="40" height="48" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/60px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/80px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="46" data-file-height="55" /></a></div><span style="line-height:120%; font-size:155%; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase;">In this issue</span></div><div style="font-size:100%; color:#333; line-height:180%; padding-top:5px;"><span style="text-transform:uppercase; color:#999; font-size:110%; font-weight:bold; line-height:150%; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives/2018-10-28" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives/2018-10-28">28 October 2018</a><br /></span><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/From_the_editors" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/From the editors">From the editors</a>
  1271. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Op-ed" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Op-ed">Op-ed</a>
  1272. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/News_and_notes" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/News and notes">News and notes</a>
  1273. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In the media">In the media</a>
  1274. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Discussion_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Discussion report">Discussion report</a>
  1275. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Traffic_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Traffic report">Traffic report</a>
  1276. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Technology_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Technology report">Technology report</a>
  1277. </li><li><span style="color:#444;"><b>Special report</b></span>
  1278. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Special_report_2" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Special report 2">Special report 2</a>
  1279. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In focus">In focus</a>
  1280. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Gallery" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Gallery">Gallery</a>
  1281. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Recent research">Recent research</a>
  1282. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Humour" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Humour">Humour</a>
  1283. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Opinion" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Opinion">Opinion</a>
  1284. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/From_the_archives" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/From the archives">From the archives</a></li></div>
  1285. </div></div>
  1286. <div id="comments" class="signpost-comments" style="width:65%; float:left;flex:3 0 auto; order:1;">
  1287. <div style="font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif; color:#333; line-height:130%; padding-top:10px;"><div style="padding-bottom:5px; min-height:50px; border-bottom:1px solid #AAA; margin-bottom:5px;"><span style="float:right; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-weight:bold; font-style:italic; font-size:120%; line-height:200%;" class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?editintro=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Templates/Comment-editnotice&amp;title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Special_report&amp;action=edit&amp;preload=Wikipedia:Signpost/Template:Signpost-article-comments-end/preload">+ Add a comment</a></span><span style="line-height:120%; font-size:155%; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase;" id="Discuss_this_story">Discuss this story</span></div></div>
  1288. <div class="plainlinks" style="margin-bottom:10px; margin-top:0px; text-transform:uppercase; font-size:80%; line-height:120%; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif; color:#888;">These comments are automatically <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Transclusion" title="Wikipedia:Transclusion">transcluded</a> from this article's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Special_report" title="Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Special report">talk page</a>.&#160;To follow comments, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Special_report&amp;action=watch">add the page to your watchlist</a>. If your comment has not appeared here, you can try <span class="noprint plainlinks purgelink"><a class="external text" href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Special_report&amp;action=purge"><span title="Purge this page">purging the cache</span></a></span>.</div>
  1289. <div class="nomobile"></div>
  1290. <ul><li><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r852319148">.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">...improved tools for them to use which only the Wikimedia Foundation can develop</q> -- WMF software is open source. There are hundreds of volunteer developers who have contributed to MediaWiki, and <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageTriage" class="extiw" title="mw:Extension:PageTriage">Page Curation</a> is no different. Any developer is able to contribute to it. <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&#8212; <span style="font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal" title="User talk:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a></sup></span></span> 16:29, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  1291. <dl><dd><dl><dd>This is not  strictly accurate - the <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageTriage" class="extiw" title="mw:Extension:PageTriage">Page Curation extension</a>  is indeed <i>very</i> different, it  was developed directly and exclusively for the precise needs of the Wikipedia encyclopedia(s) and it  was developed by <i>paid</i> WMF employees on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/From_the_archives" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/From the archives">decision of the then WMF executive officer</a> and vice executive officer. They are therefore the people who should provide the support for the software they developed. Volunteer MediaWiki software developers are arguably more specifically interested in developing MediaWiki software for all its other, non-Wikimedia Foundation uses. Wikipedia editors were never supposed to develop the software as well - else,  why  would a WMF exist and with a $75M budget that comes exclusively from the work of the content providers - the content for which, ironically,  New Page Curation exists?  And which exists for the very reason and purpose of  keeping the corpus clean and free of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not" title="Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not">all that Wikipedia is not</a> and hence upholding the tenets of the Foundation and its founders - <i>and keeping the donations flowing</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) 21:16, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  1292. <dl><dd>I'm not here to argue, or comment on the other low blows in this article, but saying only WMF can work on this extension is patently false. <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&#8212; <span style="font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal" title="User talk:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a></sup></span></span> 01:03, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
  1293. <dl><dd>Where does it say that, <a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal">MusikAnimal</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) 16:31, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
  1294. <dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung</a>:</span> I believe MusikAnimal is referring to his original citation of a passage from the first paragraph of this piece: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r852319148"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">...improved tools for them to use which only the Wikimedia Foundation can develop</q>. <a href="/wiki/User:Airplaneman" title="User:Airplaneman"><span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airplaneman" title="User talk:Airplaneman"><span style="color:#33dd44;size=2">  ✈</span></a> 17:51, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
  1295. <dl><dd>Indeed. That sentence could have been better worded. <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) 23:25, 30 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
  1296. <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal">MusikAnimal</a>:</span>  I don't understand what you are implying with 'low blows'  but perhaps  <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vexations&amp;diff=867023617&amp;oldid=867021450">this serious low blow for New Page Reviewing</a> in the last  few hours will shed some light on the need for the article above  and clarifying  just who is dealing low blows to whom - <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Vexations&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Vexations (page does not exist)">Vexations</a> who due to this has now completely retired from Wikipedia was one of the most  prolific reviewers. If after all this time Mr Horn's department, whose mandate is ostensibly not user retention per <a href="/wiki/User_talk:DannyH_(WMF)#Editor_retention" title="User talk:DannyH (WMF)">this discussion</a>, still doesn't accept the importance and priority of developing tools for NPP, and continues to lose users and patrollers, Wikipedia will end up with no gatekeepers for new content  at  all, and the Foundation will be to blame. I don't know what  <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Insertcleverphrasehere" title="User:Insertcleverphrasehere">Insertcleverphrasehere</a> make of all this, but it's already happening, and you're wondering why <i>The Signpost</i> reports on it? I feel I have wasted hundreds of hours over the last 10 years shepherding the process until I jumped ship in March last year, and even if the NPP crowd don't want me on board anymore, the volunteers are sick of being the WMF's <a href="/wiki/Galley_slave" title="Galley slave">galley slaves</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) 23:27, 3 November 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
  1297. <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Hundreds of hours over ten years? That's, like, a couple of weekends each year. <a href="/wiki/User:MPS1992" title="User:MPS1992">MPS1992</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPS1992" title="User talk:MPS1992">talk</a>) 00:22, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
  1298. <dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:MPS1992" title="User:MPS1992">MPS1992</a>:</span> Coordinating NPP can be a lot of work, something I'm just beginning to realise after spending around fifty hours in the last <i>few weeks</i> trying to organise everything for the community wishlist push. I believe that Kudpung meant hundreds of hours <i>each year</i> over ten years. He's been one of the most active reviewers ever, and has done more for NPP than anybody else. He's gotten a bit jaded on the process (it is amazing he lasted so long), but he isn't the only prolific reviewer we've lost. I'd think again before doubting his commitment to the project. — <i><b><small><a href="/wiki/User:Insertcleverphrasehere" title="User:Insertcleverphrasehere">Insertcleverphrasehere</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Insertcleverphrasehere" title="User talk:Insertcleverphrasehere">or here</a>)</sup></small></b></i> 10:06, 4 November 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd>
  1299. <dd>Well it's a shame someone decided to retire, but that is their decision. As far as I can tell the proposal was well made, likely to be a popular one, and it would seem Danny shares the same sentiment. You should continue to pursue it. All I can say is Community Tech's commitment to the top 10 wishes is genuine, and I suspect Page Curation improvements would receive special attention. The "low blows" I'm referring to in this article are the mockery of this process and the team. Page Curation was not developed by Community Tech, and it is and always has been under the <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Maintainers#MediaWiki_extensions_deployed_by_WMF" class="extiw" title="mw:Maintainers">purview of the Growth team</a> (or the other historical variations of that team). Remarks like <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r852319148"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">there is not an available category for requests for work on core software extensions</q> seem to undermine the wishlist system, and frankly it doesn't make any sense. Probably most of the wishes pertain to an <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions" class="extiw" title="mw:Manual:Extensions">extension</a>, and extensions are by definition not part of <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Core" class="extiw" title="mw:Core">core</a>. Most people don't know what extensions are anyway, so we wouldn't want to confuse people by creating a category for it. Anyway, the purpose of your publication is totally fine... I definitely am not <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r852319148"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">wondering why <i>The Signpost</i> reports on it</q>. This sort of thing is exactly what you should do. The factual inaccuracies aside, the tone could be much better, but this is merely my opinion. I assume there won't be another <i>Signpost</i> in time to advertise voting on the proposal, but you should feel free to advertise in any way you can. I sincerely hope it pans out. If I were able to vote on it, I would&#160;:) <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&#8212; <span style="font-weight:bold"><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal" title="User talk:MusikAnimal"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a></sup></span></span> 20:29, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
  1300. <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal" title="User:MusikAnimal">MusikAnimal</a>, many of us neither know or care whether it is an extension, an apple, a core, an API, Ajax, Java, Perl, Python, or PHP -  they  just  want  the tools to do  the work they  are not  paid for,  and they  want  those tools developed by  the people  who  are paid to  do  it. And if that isn't clear, here's an analogy: You don't need to know how an internal combustion engine works to be able to drive your car, and you can drive that car for free, but you expect your paid garage man to fix it when it's broke. <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) 02:02, 11 November 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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  1386. <span class="signpost-author">By <a href="/wiki/User:Isaac_(WMF)" title="User:Isaac (WMF)">Isaac Johnson</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Tbayer_(WMF)" title="User:Tbayer (WMF)">Tilman Bayer</a></span></div></div>
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  1390. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Estimating_the_Value_of_Wikimedia_Commons">Estimating the Value of Wikimedia Commons</span></h3>
  1391. <dl><dd><i>Reviewed by <a href="/wiki/User:Isaac_(WMF)" title="User:Isaac (WMF)">Isaac Johnson</a></i></dd></dl>
  1392. <p>Though Wikimedia projects like Wikipedia are clearly incredibly valuable to people worldwide (e.g., <a href="/wiki/List_of_most_popular_websites" title="List of most popular websites"> Wikipedia's status as the fifth most popular site worldwide</a>), it has been harder to quantify other facets of this value. Anecdotally, the content from communities like Wikipedia has been incredibly important in the development of natural language processing tools,<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1">&#91;supp 1&#93;</a></sup> search engines like Google,<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2">&#91;supp 2&#93;</a></sup> and an important resource when making life decisions.<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3">&#91;supp 3&#93;</a></sup>
  1393. </p><p>This <a href="/wiki/OpenSym" title="OpenSym">OpenSym</a> 2018 paper, "What is the Commons Worth? Estimating the Value of Wikimedia Imagery by Observing Downstream Use",<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-4">&#91;1&#93;</a></sup> attempts to quantify the monetary value of <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Commons" title="Wikimedia Commons">Wikimedia Commons</a>, a peer-produced repository of free-use imagery and video that in part holds the images readers come across on Wikipedia. To do so, the authors pose a <a href="/wiki/Counterfactual_conditional" title="Counterfactual conditional">counterfactual</a> question: how much would the licensing of this content generate if it operated under a for-profit model such as that of Getty Images? They collect a random dataset of 10,000 images from Commons and do a reverse image-search on them to detect how often they are being used across the internet. The domain of each re-use is then evaluated to determine whether, for instance, it was a commercial entity. Using Getty's licensing model of USD $175 for commercial use and USD $60 for non-commercial use, they extrapolate out how often on average each image is used (and where) to reach a total estimate of USD $28.9 billion for Wikimedia Commons.
  1394. </p><p>While there are interesting discussions to be held about some of the methodological choices that led to their final estimate of USD $28.9 billion for the entirety of Commons – e.g., what is a more reasonable estimate of what proportion of images would be paid for if under license – the general approach and motivation are sound and certainly raise important questions about how we value resources like Wikimedia Commons. This research complements previous estimates of the value of Commons.<sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-5">&#91;supp 4&#93;</a></sup> These are not easy questions, but I'll be excited as more research adds to our understanding of the value of these communities' work.
  1395. </p><p><i>Cf. earlier coverage: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Newsletter/2013/March#Estimate_for_economic_benefit_of_Wikipedia:_$50_million_by_2006_already" class="extiw" title="m:Research:Newsletter/2013/March">"Estimate for economic benefit of Wikipedia: $50 million by 2006 already"</a></i>
  1396. </p>
  1397. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Briefly">Briefly</span></h3>
  1398. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Conferences_and_events">Conferences and events</span></h4>
  1399. <p>See the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Events" class="extiw" title="m:Research:Events">research events page on Meta-wiki</a> for upcoming conferences and events, including submission deadlines.
  1400. </p>
  1401. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Other_recent_publications">Other recent publications</span></h3>
  1402. <p><i>Other recent publications that could not be covered in time for this issue include the items listed below. <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Newsletter#How_to_contribute" class="extiw" title="m:Research:Newsletter">contributions are always welcome</a> for reviewing or summarizing newly published research.</i>
  1403. </p>
  1404. <dl><dd><small><i>Compiled by <a href="/wiki/User:Tbayer_(WMF)" title="User:Tbayer (WMF)">Tilman Bayer</a></i></small></dd></dl>
  1405. <h4><span id=".22Web_caching_evaluation_from_Wikipedia_request_statistics.22"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="&quot;Web_caching_evaluation_from_Wikipedia_request_statistics&quot;">"Web caching evaluation from Wikipedia request statistics"</span></h4>
  1406. <p>From the abstract:<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-6">&#91;2&#93;</a></sup> "We use publically available statistics about the top-1000 most popular pages on each day to estimate the efficiency of caches for support of the platform. While the data volumes are moderate, the main goal of Wikipedia caches is to reduce access times for page views and edits. We study the impact of most popular pages on the achievable cache hit rate in comparison to Zipf request distributions and we include daily dynamics in popularity."
  1407. </p>
  1408. <h4><span id=".22Hacking_Academic_Collaboration_with_GLAM_Edit-a-thons.22"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="&quot;Hacking_Academic_Collaboration_with_GLAM_Edit-a-thons&quot;">"Hacking Academic Collaboration with GLAM Edit-a-thons"</span></h4>
  1409. <p>From the abstract:<sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-7">&#91;3&#93;</a></sup> "At MIT, librarians, archivists, writing instructors, and local Wikipedians have collaborated to host several edit-a-thons with the common goals of addressing content gaps on Wikipedia and offering the public and the MIT community (including students, staff, alumni and faculty) new ways to engage with the institute's archives and special collections. [...] This article shares results from MIT's GLAM edit-a-thons, and argues that approaching projects from the perspective of Wikipedia's collaborative culture can enhance other kinds of academic collaboration."
  1410. </p>
  1411. <h4><span id=".22Connecting_Wikipedia_and_the_Archive.22"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="&quot;Connecting_Wikipedia_and_the_Archive&quot;">"Connecting Wikipedia and the Archive"</span></h4>
  1412. <p>From the abstract:<sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-8">&#91;4&#93;</a></sup>  "The described project that was started in 2015, was collaboratively designed by archivists and historians with the La Guardia &amp; Wagner Archives ("the Archives") and LaGuardia Community College's faculty and librarians, and involves beginning college students in the production of a needed public history of the outbreak and impact of HIV/AIDS in New York City. [...] Utilization of a Wikipedia as a non-commercial, public, open access information source also succeeds in raising web traffic, visibility and accessibility for unique and valuable archival collections."
  1413. </p>
  1414. <h4><span id=".22Nonhuman_language_agents_in_online_collaborative_communities:_Comparing_Hebrew_Wikipedia_and_Facebook_translations.22"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="&quot;Nonhuman_language_agents_in_online_collaborative_communities:_Comparing_Hebrew_Wikipedia_and_Facebook_translations&quot;">"Nonhuman language agents in online collaborative communities: Comparing Hebrew Wikipedia and Facebook translations"</span></h4>
  1415. <p>From the abstract:<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-9">&#91;5&#93;</a></sup> "This study compared language policies in Hebrew Wikipedia and the Hebrew Facebook translation app. Hebrew Wikipedia designed a strict linguistic guide that promotes a neutral Hebrew register, rejecting both colloquial and high registers, enforced by an algorithm post factum."
  1416. </p>
  1417. <h4><span id=".22Wikipedia.27s_gaps_in_coverage:_are_Wikiprojects_a_solution.3F_A_study_of_the_Cambodian_Wikiproject.22"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="&quot;Wikipedia's_gaps_in_coverage:_are_Wikiprojects_a_solution?_A_study_of_the_Cambodian_Wikiproject&quot;">"Wikipedia's gaps in coverage: are Wikiprojects a solution? A study of the Cambodian Wikiproject"</span></h4>
  1418. <p>From the abstract:<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-10">&#91;6&#93;</a></sup> "The purpose of this paper is to examine the rather unsuccessful Wikiproject for Cambodia. Despite its lack of success, it is a case that can be used to draw lessons for dealing with the issue of geographical under-representation on Wikipedia as a whole. ... The author takes a broadly qualitative approach to the study of Wikipedia. For this study, the Cambodia Wikiproject main page, as well as the various talk page archives associated with it, was downloaded in November 2016 and subjected to a content analysis. Descriptive statistics are also used when necessary to build the argument. Findings: Wikiproject Cambodia has failed to appreciably improve the coverage of Cambodian topics. This is likely due to its inability to attract for a prolonged period of time a champion able to anchor the project and provide a sense that someone is listening. But the makeup of the project members also suggests that even if a champion could be found, the question of who gets to represent whom remains difficult to deal with. It is unlikely that Cambodia will anytime soon develop a strong community of Wikipedia editors given the economic and social constraints the country imposes on the most of its population."
  1419. </p>
  1420. <h4><span id=".22Representing_Metro_Manila_on_Wikipedia.22"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="&quot;Representing_Metro_Manila_on_Wikipedia&quot;">"Representing Metro Manila on Wikipedia"</span></h4>
  1421. <p>From the abstract:<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-11">&#91;7&#93;</a></sup> "While the Wikipedia article on Manila cannot be classified as promotional, it is clear that much of the city remains invisible in this work. Such a puzzle becomes understandable when we examine the urban studies literature where we find that the spatial logic of the city itself helps conceal much from view, so that what we read on Wikipedia is a view from the islands of privilege rather than the oceans of marginalization that make up much of the city's spatial form. If such a spatial structure is to change, representations such as found on Wikipedia need to be challenged."
  1422. </p>
  1423. <h4><span id=".22How_does_communicative_memory_become_cultural_memory.3F_Negotiation_processes_on_the_Wikipedia_talk_page_in_case_of_the_White_Rose.22"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="&quot;How_does_communicative_memory_become_cultural_memory?_Negotiation_processes_on_the_Wikipedia_talk_page_in_case_of_the_White_Rose&quot;">"How does communicative memory become cultural memory? Negotiation processes on the Wikipedia talk page in case of the White Rose"</span></h4>
  1424. <dl><dd>"Wie wird kommunikatives zu kulturellem Gedächtnis? Aushandlungsprozesse auf den Wikipedia-Diskussionsseiten am Beispiel der Weißen Rose" (in German)<sup id="cite_ref-12" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-12">&#91;8&#93;</a></sup></dd></dl>
  1425. <p>From <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=zRRBDwAAQBAJ&amp;v=onepage&amp;q=wikipedia&amp;f=false#v=onepage&amp;q=%22ist%20dieser%20Befund%20beachtlich%22&amp;f=false">the paper</a> (translated): "Finally, the [talk page comments classfied in] the category of personal attacks are remarkable because of their insignificant quantitative dimension. In the context of the <a href="/wiki/White_Rose" title="White Rose">White Rose</a>, there was only a single incident of this kind. On the backdrop of widespread hate attacks on the Internet this finding is notable, considering that the <a href="/wiki/German_resistance_to_Nazism" title="German resistance to Nazism">resistance against national socialism</a> has never been uncontroversial."
  1426. </p>
  1427. </div>
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  1429. <p><br />
  1430. </p>
  1431. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="References">References</span></h3>
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  1436. <li id="cite_note-6"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-6">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation conference">Hasslinger, G.; Kunbaz, M.; Hasslinger, F.; Bauschert, T. (May 2017). "Web caching evaluation from Wikipedia request statistics". <i>2017 15th International Symposium on Modeling and Optimization in Mobile, Ad Hoc, and Wireless Networks (WiOpt)</i>. 2017 15th International Symposium on Modeling and Optimization in Mobile, Ad Hoc, and Wireless Networks (WiOpt). pp.&#160;1–6. <a href="/wiki/Digital_object_identifier" title="Digital object identifier">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//doi.org/10.23919%2FWIOPT.2017.7959873">10.23919/WIOPT.2017.7959873</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=conference&amp;rft.atitle=Web+caching+evaluation+from+Wikipedia+request+statistics&amp;rft.btitle=2017+15th+International+Symposium+on+Modeling+and+Optimization+in+Mobile%2C+Ad+Hoc%2C+and+Wireless+Networks+%28WiOpt%29&amp;rft.pages=1-6&amp;rft.date=2017-05&amp;rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.23919%2FWIOPT.2017.7959873&amp;rft.aulast=Hasslinger&amp;rft.aufirst=G.&amp;rft.au=Kunbaz%2C+M.&amp;rft.au=Hasslinger%2C+F.&amp;rft.au=Bauschert%2C+T.&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FRecent+research" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/> <span style="position:relative; top: -2px;"><a href="/wiki/Paywall" title="closed access publication – behind paywall"><img alt="closed access publication – behind paywall" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/9px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png" width="9" height="14" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/14px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/18px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="640" data-file-height="1000" /></a></span><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Freely available version: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://dl.ifip.org/db/conf/wiopt/wiopt2017/1570343131.pdf">Web Caching Evaluation from Wikipedia Request Statistics</a>, The 2nd Content Caching and Delivery in Wireless Networks Workshop (CCDWN), 2017</span>
  1437. </li>
  1438. <li id="cite_note-7"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-7">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation journal">Thorndike-Breeze, Rebecca; Suiter, Greta Kuriger (2017-09-29). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://wikistudies.org/index.php?journal=wikistudies&amp;page=article&amp;op=view&amp;path%5b%5d=3">"Hacking Academic Collaboration with GLAM Edit-a-thons"</a>. <i>WikiStudies</i>. <b>1</b> (1): 65–95.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.genre=article&amp;rft.jtitle=WikiStudies&amp;rft.atitle=Hacking+Academic+Collaboration+with+GLAM+Edit-a-thons&amp;rft.volume=1&amp;rft.issue=1&amp;rft.pages=65-95&amp;rft.date=2017-09-29&amp;rft.aulast=Thorndike-Breeze&amp;rft.aufirst=Rebecca&amp;rft.au=Suiter%2C+Greta+Kuriger&amp;rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwikistudies.org%2Findex.php%3Fjournal%3Dwikistudies%26page%3Darticle%26op%3Dview%26path%5B%5D%3D3&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FRecent+research" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/></span>
  1439. </li>
  1440. <li id="cite_note-8"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-8">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation journal">Matsuuchi, Ann (2017-09-25). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://wikistudies.org/index.php?journal=wikistudies&amp;page=article&amp;op=view&amp;path%5b%5d=2">"Connecting Wikipedia and the Archive"</a>. <i>WikiStudies</i>. <b>1</b> (1): 40–64.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.genre=article&amp;rft.jtitle=WikiStudies&amp;rft.atitle=Connecting+Wikipedia+and+the+Archive&amp;rft.volume=1&amp;rft.issue=1&amp;rft.pages=40-64&amp;rft.date=2017-09-25&amp;rft.aulast=Matsuuchi&amp;rft.aufirst=Ann&amp;rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwikistudies.org%2Findex.php%3Fjournal%3Dwikistudies%26page%3Darticle%26op%3Dview%26path%5B%5D%3D2&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FRecent+research" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/></span>
  1441. </li>
  1442. <li id="cite_note-9"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-9">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation journal">Vaisman, Carmel L.; Gonen, Illan; Pinter, Yuval (2018-03-01). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211695817301848">"Nonhuman language agents in online collaborative communities: Comparing Hebrew Wikipedia and Facebook translations"</a>. <i>Discourse, Context &amp; Media</i>. <b>21</b> (Supplement C): 10–17. <a href="/wiki/Digital_object_identifier" title="Digital object identifier">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//doi.org/10.1016%2Fj.dcm.2017.10.002">10.1016/j.dcm.2017.10.002</a>. <a href="/wiki/International_Standard_Serial_Number" title="International Standard Serial Number">ISSN</a>&#160;<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//www.worldcat.org/issn/2211-6958">2211-6958</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.genre=article&amp;rft.jtitle=Discourse%2C+Context+%26+Media&amp;rft.atitle=Nonhuman+language+agents+in+online+collaborative+communities%3A+Comparing+Hebrew+Wikipedia+and+Facebook+translations&amp;rft.volume=21&amp;rft.issue=Supplement+C&amp;rft.pages=10-17&amp;rft.date=2018-03-01&amp;rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.1016%2Fj.dcm.2017.10.002&amp;rft.issn=2211-6958&amp;rft.aulast=Vaisman&amp;rft.aufirst=Carmel+L.&amp;rft.au=Gonen%2C+Illan&amp;rft.au=Pinter%2C+Yuval&amp;rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciencedirect.com%2Fscience%2Farticle%2Fpii%2FS2211695817301848&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FRecent+research" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/> <span style="position:relative; top: -2px;"><a href="/wiki/Paywall" title="closed access publication – behind paywall"><img alt="closed access publication – behind paywall" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/9px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png" width="9" height="14" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/14px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/18px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="640" data-file-height="1000" /></a></span></span>
  1443. </li>
  1444. <li id="cite_note-10"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-10">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation journal">Luyt, Brendan (2018-02-01). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/abs/10.1108/OIR-06-2017-0199">"Wikipedia's gaps in coverage: are Wikiprojects a solution? A study of the Cambodian Wikiproject"</a>. <i>Online Information Review</i>. <b>42</b> (2): 238–249. <a href="/wiki/Digital_object_identifier" title="Digital object identifier">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//doi.org/10.1108%2FOIR-06-2017-0199">10.1108/OIR-06-2017-0199</a>. <a href="/wiki/International_Standard_Serial_Number" title="International Standard Serial Number">ISSN</a>&#160;<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//www.worldcat.org/issn/1468-4527">1468-4527</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.genre=article&amp;rft.jtitle=Online+Information+Review&amp;rft.atitle=Wikipedia%27s+gaps+in+coverage%3A+are+Wikiprojects+a+solution%3F+A+study+of+the+Cambodian+Wikiproject&amp;rft.volume=42&amp;rft.issue=2&amp;rft.pages=238-249&amp;rft.date=2018-02-01&amp;rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.1108%2FOIR-06-2017-0199&amp;rft.issn=1468-4527&amp;rft.aulast=Luyt&amp;rft.aufirst=Brendan&amp;rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.emeraldinsight.com%2Fdoi%2Fabs%2F10.1108%2FOIR-06-2017-0199&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FRecent+research" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/> <span style="position:relative; top: -2px;"><a href="/wiki/Paywall" title="closed access publication – behind paywall"><img alt="closed access publication – behind paywall" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/9px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png" width="9" height="14" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/14px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/18px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="640" data-file-height="1000" /></a></span></span>
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  1446. <li id="cite_note-11"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-11">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation journal">Luyt, Brendan (2017-11-30). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/abs/10.1108/OIR-10-2016-0308">"Representing Metro Manila on Wikipedia"</a>. <i>Online Information Review</i>. <b>42</b> (1): 16–27. <a href="/wiki/Digital_object_identifier" title="Digital object identifier">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//doi.org/10.1108%2FOIR-10-2016-0308">10.1108/OIR-10-2016-0308</a>. <a href="/wiki/International_Standard_Serial_Number" title="International Standard Serial Number">ISSN</a>&#160;<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//www.worldcat.org/issn/1468-4527">1468-4527</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.genre=article&amp;rft.jtitle=Online+Information+Review&amp;rft.atitle=Representing+Metro+Manila+on+Wikipedia&amp;rft.volume=42&amp;rft.issue=1&amp;rft.pages=16-27&amp;rft.date=2017-11-30&amp;rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.1108%2FOIR-10-2016-0308&amp;rft.issn=1468-4527&amp;rft.aulast=Luyt&amp;rft.aufirst=Brendan&amp;rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.emeraldinsight.com%2Fdoi%2Fabs%2F10.1108%2FOIR-10-2016-0308&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FRecent+research" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/> <span style="position:relative; top: -2px;"><a href="/wiki/Paywall" title="closed access publication – behind paywall"><img alt="closed access publication – behind paywall" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/9px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png" width="9" height="14" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/14px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/18px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="640" data-file-height="1000" /></a></span></span>
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  1448. <li id="cite_note-12"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-12">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation book">Heinrich, Horst-Alfred; Gilowsky, Julia (2018). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-658-19513-7_7">"Wie wird kommunikatives zu kulturellem Gedächtnis? Aushandlungsprozesse auf den Wikipedia-Diskussionsseiten am Beispiel der Weißen Rose"</a>. <i>(Digitale) Medien und soziale Gedächtnisse</i>. Soziales Gedächtnis, Erinnern und Vergessen – Memory Studies. Springer VS, Wiesbaden. pp.&#160;143–167. <a href="/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number" title="International Standard Book Number">ISBN</a>&#160;<a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/9783658195120" title="Special:BookSources/9783658195120">9783658195120</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=bookitem&amp;rft.atitle=Wie+wird+kommunikatives+zu+kulturellem+Ged%C3%A4chtnis%3F+Aushandlungsprozesse+auf+den+Wikipedia-Diskussionsseiten+am+Beispiel+der+Wei%C3%9Fen+Rose&amp;rft.btitle=%28Digitale%29+Medien+und+soziale+Ged%C3%A4chtnisse&amp;rft.series=Soziales+Ged%C3%A4chtnis%2C+Erinnern+und+Vergessen+%E2%80%93+Memory+Studies&amp;rft.pages=143-167&amp;rft.pub=Springer+VS%2C+Wiesbaden&amp;rft.date=2018&amp;rft.isbn=9783658195120&amp;rft.aulast=Heinrich&amp;rft.aufirst=Horst-Alfred&amp;rft.au=Gilowsky%2C+Julia&amp;rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Flink.springer.com%2Fchapter%2F10.1007%2F978-3-658-19513-7_7&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FRecent+research" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/> <span style="position:relative; top: -2px;"><a href="/wiki/Paywall" title="closed access publication – behind paywall"><img alt="closed access publication – behind paywall" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/9px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png" width="9" height="14" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/14px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg/18px-Closed_Access_logo_alternative.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="640" data-file-height="1000" /></a></span> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=zRRBDwAAQBAJ&amp;pg=PA149v=onepage&amp;q=wikipedia&amp;f=false">Google Books preview</a></span>
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  1458. <li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-3">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation journal">Singer, Philipp; Lemmerich, Florian; West, Robert; Zia, Leila; Wulczyn, Ellery; Strohmaier, Markus; Leskovec, Jure (3 April 2017). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=3038912.3052716">"Why We Read Wikipedia"</a>. International World Wide Web Conferences Steering Committee: 1591–1600. <a href="/wiki/Digital_object_identifier" title="Digital object identifier">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//doi.org/10.1145%2F3038912.3052716">10.1145/3038912.3052716</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.genre=article&amp;rft.atitle=Why+We+Read+Wikipedia&amp;rft.pages=1591-1600&amp;rft.date=2017-04-03&amp;rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.1145%2F3038912.3052716&amp;rft.aulast=Singer&amp;rft.aufirst=Philipp&amp;rft.au=Lemmerich%2C+Florian&amp;rft.au=West%2C+Robert&amp;rft.au=Zia%2C+Leila&amp;rft.au=Wulczyn%2C+Ellery&amp;rft.au=Strohmaier%2C+Markus&amp;rft.au=Leskovec%2C+Jure&amp;rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fdl.acm.org%2Fcitation.cfm%3Fdoid%3D3038912.3052716&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FRecent+research" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/></span>
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  1460. <li id="cite_note-5"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-5">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation journal">Heald, Paul J.; Erickson, Kris; Kretschmer, Martin (2015). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2560572">"The Valuation of Unprotected Works: A Case Study of Public Domain Photographs on Wikipedia"</a>. <i>SSRN Electronic Journal</i>. <a href="/wiki/Digital_object_identifier" title="Digital object identifier">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//doi.org/10.2139%2Fssrn.2560572">10.2139/ssrn.2560572</a>. <a href="/wiki/International_Standard_Serial_Number" title="International Standard Serial Number">ISSN</a>&#160;<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//www.worldcat.org/issn/1556-5068">1556-5068</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.genre=article&amp;rft.jtitle=SSRN+Electronic+Journal&amp;rft.atitle=The+Valuation+of+Unprotected+Works%3A+A+Case+Study+of+Public+Domain+Photographs+on+Wikipedia&amp;rft.date=2015&amp;rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.2139%2Fssrn.2560572&amp;rft.issn=1556-5068&amp;rft.aulast=Heald&amp;rft.aufirst=Paul+J.&amp;rft.au=Erickson%2C+Kris&amp;rft.au=Kretschmer%2C+Martin&amp;rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fpapers.ssrn.com%2Fsol3%2Fpapers.cfm%3Fabstract_id%3D2560572&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FRecent+research" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/></span>
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  1471. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Op-ed" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Op-ed">Op-ed</a>
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  1474. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Discussion_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Discussion report">Discussion report</a>
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  1479. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In focus">In focus</a>
  1480. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Gallery" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Gallery">Gallery</a>
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  1483. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Opinion" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Opinion">Opinion</a>
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  1490. <p>The research on the value of Wikimedia Commons brings to mind <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In focus">this issue's Alexa essay</a>. What's the commercial value of having such snippets, or the Google <a href="/wiki/Knowledge_Graph" title="Knowledge Graph">Knowledge Graph</a>, also 99.99% powered by volunteer contributions? ☆ <a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">Bri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bri" title="User talk:Bri">talk</a>) 02:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
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  1492. <ul><li>All companies which reuse Wikipedia's content are accruing a debt to society and owe the public commons. The law is not a guidebook for what corporations should do, but only a set of minimal expectations for behavior which are far below the level of human decency. Even though it is not illegal to take from wiki without giving back, it is wrong behavior which brings shame to any person or organization associated with it. Commons and Wikimedia projects bring value to all people and organizations. Companies which get money from wiki project should give back. The employees, customers, neighbors, and anyone socially connected to anyone reusing free and open content from wiki or anywhere else has a duty to educate, pressure, and expect that anyone who uses the commons should give back to it. <a href="/wiki/User:Bluerasberry" title="User:Bluerasberry"><span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e"><b> Blue Rasberry </b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluerasberry" title="User talk:Bluerasberry"><span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span></a> 13:23, 31 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
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  1554.      <title><![CDATA[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Opinion]]></title>
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  1556.      <description><![CDATA[Strickland incident: The reviewer who declined the article gives his perspective.]]></description>
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  1578. <span class="signpost-author">By <a href="/wiki/User:Bradv" title="User:Bradv">Bradv</a></span></div></div>
  1579. <div class="signpost-article" style="padding: 0 2vw; max-width:80em; margin: 0 auto;">
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  1582. <p><br />
  1583. On May 23, 2018, I (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bradv" title="User talk:Bradv">Bradv</a>) declined a <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/842614385" title="Special:PermanentLink/842614385">draft</a> article about <a href="/wiki/Donna_Strickland" title="Donna Strickland">Donna Strickland</a>. The draft had been created by <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Campbpt0" title="User talk:Campbpt0">Campbpt0</a> two months earlier, on March 28, 2018, and no other editors had contributed to it in the meantime. The author had made no other edits to Wikipedia either before or since.
  1584. </p><p>This draft has received considerable media attention, and attracted a variety of comments from around the community about my actions, perceived problems with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFC">Articles for Creation</a> project, and about <a href="/wiki/Gender_bias_on_Wikipedia" title="Gender bias on Wikipedia">gender bias on Wikipedia</a>, particularly as it pertains to women working in <a href="/wiki/Science,_technology,_engineering,_and_mathematics" title="Science, technology, engineering, and mathematics">STEM</a> fields.
  1585. </p><p>This essay is a personal review and reflection of what happened, what might have been done differently, and what we could possibly change going forward.
  1586. </p>
  1587. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Draft_review">Draft review</span></h3>
  1588. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Claims_of_notability">Claims of notability</span></h4>
  1589. <p>At the time I reviewed it, the <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/842614385" title="Special:PermanentLink/842614385">draft</a> made several claims of notability. Strickland is an associate professor at the <a href="/wiki/University_of_Waterloo" title="University of Waterloo">University of Waterloo</a>, she co-invented <a href="/wiki/Chirped_pulse_amplification" title="Chirped pulse amplification">chirped pulse amplification</a>, she is an associate chair of the physics department, she is a fellow of <a href="/wiki/The_Optical_Society" title="The Optical Society">The Optical Society</a> (OSA), and she won three additional awards.
  1590. </p><p>As an academic, the relevant guideline for establishing notability is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">WP:PROF</a>. The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">general notability guideline</a> does not apply to this article, but the rest of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">the notability guideline</a>, including the section on requiring verifiable evidence (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NRV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NRV">WP:NRV</a>) does apply. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NRV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NRV">WP:NRV</a> states:
  1591. </p>
  1592. <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r854607968">.mw-parser-output blockquote.talkquote{background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{font-style:italic}</style><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>The common theme in the notability guidelines is that there must be verifiable, objective evidence that the subject has received significant attention from independent sources to support a claim of notability.</p></blockquote>
  1593. <p>My conclusion at this point was that the topic was potentially notable, even though the strongest claim of notability (that she was an <a href="/wiki/OSA_Fellow" title="OSA Fellow">OSA Fellow</a>) lacked a direct citation. As the next step in the review process I took a look at the sources to see if they supported the claims, and if they were reliable and independent of the subject.
  1594. </p>
  1595. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Reliable_sources">Reliable sources</span></h4>
  1596. <p>There were three sources provided in the draft:
  1597. </p>
  1598. <ol><li>D. Strickland and G. Mourou, “Compression of amplified chirped optical pulses”, Opt. Commun. 56, 219 (1985)</li>
  1599. <li>The Optical Society Biography: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.osa.org/en-us/history/biographies/donna-t-strickland/">https://www.osa.org/en-us/history/biographies/donna-t-strickland/</a></li>
  1600. <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://uwaterloo.ca/physics-astronomy/people-profiles/donna-strickland">https://uwaterloo.ca/physics-astronomy/people-profiles/donna-strickland</a></li></ol>
  1601. <p>Of these, none were independent as required by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NRV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NRV">NRV</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">PROF</a>. The first was published by the author, the second is a biography published by <a href="/wiki/The_Optical_Society" title="The Optical Society">The Optical Society</a> (which claims Strickland as past president), and the third is a biography at the <a href="/wiki/University_of_Waterloo" title="University of Waterloo">University of Waterloo</a>, where she works.
  1602. </p><p>This is a common occurrence at AfC. Editors who are new to Wikipedia seek what is in their minds the most authoritative sources, such as official biographies, and are confused when we request to see news articles instead. Usually an informative decline message, followed by a discussion on a talk page or the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TEAHOUSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TEAHOUSE">Teahouse</a>, is enough for them to come up with reliable sources, or to realize that the subject itself is not notable enough for an article.
  1603. </p><p>Unfortunately in this case, the original author had already abandoned this venture, and the draft went entirely unnoticed for over 4 months.
  1604. </p>
  1605. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Nobel_Prize">Nobel Prize</span></h3>
  1606. On October 2, 2018, Strickland won a Nobel Prize for Physics. Within 90 minutes of the announcement a <a href="/wiki/Donna_Strickland" title="Donna Strickland">new article</a> was created, directly in mainspace this time. The media quickly noted that Strickland had not previously had an article. <i><a href="/wiki/The_Atlantic" title="The Atlantic">The Atlantic</a></i> wrote: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r854607968"/><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>Unlike her fellow winners, Strickland did not have a Wikipedia page at the time of the announcement. A Wikipedia user tried to set up a page in May, but it was denied by a moderator with the message: “This submission’s references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article.” Strickland, it was determined, had not received enough dedicated coverage elsewhere on the internet to warrant a page.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1">&#91;1&#93;</a></sup></p></blockquote>
  1607. <p>Similar articles from <i><a href="/wiki/Quartz_(publication)" title="Quartz (publication)">Quartz</a></i>,<sup id="cite_ref-qz_2-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-qz-2">&#91;2&#93;</a></sup> <a href="/wiki/Vox_(website)" title="Vox (website)">Vox</a>,<sup id="cite_ref-vox_3-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-vox-3">&#91;3&#93;</a></sup> <i><a href="/wiki/The_Guardian" title="The Guardian">The Guardian</a></i>,<sup id="cite_ref-guardian_4-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-guardian-4">&#91;4&#93;</a></sup> <i><a href="/wiki/Der_Spiegel" title="Der Spiegel">Der Spiegel</a></i>,<sup id="cite_ref-spiegel_5-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-spiegel-5">&#91;5&#93;</a></sup> and <i><a href="/wiki/Le_Monde" title="Le Monde">Le Monde</a></i><sup id="cite_ref-lemonde_6-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-lemonde-6">&#91;6&#93;</a></sup> pointed to the decline of the draft as evidence of the "marginalization of women in science and gender bias at Wikipedia," as her male colleague has had a Wikipedia page since 2005.<sup id="cite_ref-guardian_4-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-guardian-4">&#91;4&#93;</a></sup> As an aside, these news articles all fail to mention that <a href="/wiki/George_Smith_(chemist)" title="George Smith (chemist)">George Smith</a>, who won a Nobel Prize the previous day, had not been the subject of a Wikipedia article before the announcement, either. According to research by <a href="/wiki/User:KalHolmann" title="User:KalHolmann">KalHolmann</a>, over one-third of all Nobel laureates since 2001 do not have Wikipedia articles on them when the prize is announced.<sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-7">&#91;7&#93;</a></sup>
  1608. </p>
  1609. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Reactions">Reactions</span></h3>
  1610. <p>That same day, I began receiving messages from other editors that this was in the news, and various editors began analyzing and questioning my actions to see if something had gone wrong. These discussions happened in several places, including <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bradv" title="User talk:Bradv">my talk page</a>, the talk page of the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Donna_Strickland" title="Talk:Donna Strickland">new article</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red#Donna_Strickland" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red">Women in Red</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation#Article_in_Quartz" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation">AfC</a>. While many experienced editors understood my reasoning, others criticized my decline, either based on the expectation that I should have accepted the draft in its state at the time, or that I should have looked for additional sources and improved the article myself.
  1611. </p><p>While most of the criticism came from people unfamiliar with the policies and procedures of Wikipedia, several very senior and respected administrators took me to task on- and off-wiki, claiming I should have known that <a href="/wiki/The_Optical_Society" title="The Optical Society">The Optical Society</a> was a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable source</a>, and that independent sources are not required for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">PROF</a>.
  1612. </p><p>Taking these criticisms seriously, and armed with the benefit of hindsight, I reviewed my actions along with the relevant policies and guidelines to see what could be learned.
  1613. </p>
  1614. <h3><span id="Policy.2C_guidelines.2C_and_procedures"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Policy,_guidelines,_and_procedures">Policy, guidelines, and procedures</span></h3>
  1615. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Biographies_of_living_persons">Biographies of living persons</span></h4>
  1616. After the 2005 <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_Seigenthaler_biography_incident" title="Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident">Seigenthaler incident</a>, Wikipedia found it necessary to adopt strict guidelines around editing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">biographies of living people|</a>. The BLP policy says, in its lede: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r854607968"/><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>We must get the article <i>right</i>. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources.</p></blockquote>
  1617. <p>Especially at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFC">Articles for Creation</a>, which faces a continuous onslaught of spam and poorly-sourced biographies, reviewers need to be keenly aware of this policy. There are countless biographies posted every day of people linking to their own organization's website as proof of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notability</a>. These are declined summarily, with a message to the author that they need to find sources that are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IS">independent</a> of the topic.
  1618. </p><p>In that respect, this draft was treated no differently. This was a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPA">single-purpose account</a> who created a poorly-sourced biography. A decline, with a message left to the author with an invitation to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TEAHOUSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TEAHOUSE">Teahouse</a>, or to the reviewer's talk page, is all that was needed. Unfortunately, the author chose not to engage further, and no other editors came along to help improve the draft.
  1619. </p>
  1620. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Notability">Notability</span></h4>
  1621. Determining notability for academics is a notoriously difficult process. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">PROF</a> is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SNG">specific notability guideline</a>, which means that it is used as an alternative to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">general notability guideline</a>. GNG insists on significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, but PROF merely requires that the information is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verifiable</a>. The relevant test for this article in PROF is the third criterion: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r854607968"/><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>The person is or has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a <a href="/wiki/National_Academy_of_Sciences" title="National Academy of Sciences">National Academy of Sciences</a> or the <a href="/wiki/Royal_Society" title="Royal Society">Royal Society</a>) or a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g., <a href="/wiki/Fellow_of_the_IEEE" class="mw-redirect" title="Fellow of the IEEE">Fellow of the IEEE</a>).</p></blockquote>
  1622. At the time I declined the draft, it made the claim that Strickland was a fellow of <a href="/wiki/The_Optical_Society" title="The Optical Society">The Optical Society</a> (OSA). However, the claim was supported only by a reference to OSA itself, which fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NRV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NRV">WP:NRV</a> as not being independent, and it fails the very first line of PROF which states: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r854607968"/><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>Subjects of biographical articles on Wikipedia are required to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notable</a>; that is significant, interesting, or unusual enough to be worthy of notice, as evidenced by being the subject of significant coverage in independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable secondary sources</a>.</p></blockquote>
  1623. This claim required at least one additional reliable source. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WHYN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WHYN">WHYN</a>, which explains the purpose of notability guidelines, states: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r854607968"/><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>* We require the existence of at least one <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_primary_and_secondary_sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Identifying and using primary and secondary sources">secondary source</a> so that the article can comply with [Wikipedia's] <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research" title="Wikipedia:No original research">No original research</a>'s requirement that all articles be based on secondary sources.</p></blockquote>
  1624. <p>Furthermore, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WHYN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WHYN">WHYN</a> specifically states that it applies "<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r852319148">.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">to all articles, not solely articles justified under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">general notability criteria</a>.</q>"
  1625. </p>
  1626. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Articles_for_Creation">Articles for Creation</span></h4>
  1627. <div class="thumb tright"><div class="thumbinner" style="width:222px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Flow_chart_for_AFC_3.1.png" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a8/Flow_chart_for_AFC_3.1.png/220px-Flow_chart_for_AFC_3.1.png" width="220" height="305" class="thumbimage" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a8/Flow_chart_for_AFC_3.1.png/330px-Flow_chart_for_AFC_3.1.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a8/Flow_chart_for_AFC_3.1.png/440px-Flow_chart_for_AFC_3.1.png 2x" data-file-width="2106" data-file-height="2916" /></a>  <div class="thumbcaption"><div class="magnify"><a href="/wiki/File:Flow_chart_for_AFC_3.1.png" class="internal" title="Enlarge"></a></div>The AfC flowchart</div></div></div>
  1628. <h5><span class="mw-headline" id="Before">Before</span></h5>
  1629. <p>Various editors have suggested that this could have been resolved by a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a> search before declining the draft. However, this procedure applies specifically to nominating articles for deletion, and is not a requirement of the AfC process. AfC is designed specifically to help new editors write their own articles, to give them time to improve them and learn how Wikipedia works before subjecting them to the harsh environment of mainspace. However, AfC is not a place to request that someone else write an article, like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RA">WP:RA</a>. But it is also not one user's sandbox, which doesn't allow for other contributors to help. The idea with AfC is that other people can contribute to the article, but that no one, including reviewers, is obligated to do so.
  1630. </p><p>Where BEFORE comes into play at AfC is when nominating a draft for deletion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MFD">WP:MFD</a>, which is an attempt to gain community consensus that a draft has no value to the project and should be deleted.
  1631. </p>
  1632. <h5><span class="mw-headline" id="Judging_notability">Judging notability</span></h5>
  1633. <p>Notability, as it pertains to Wikipedia, is a judgement of the subject of an article, not the content of the article itself. There are plenty of notable subjects that don't have Wikipedia articles. When a draft is reviewed at AfC, it is evaluated based on the information that is presented in the article, and whether that information, together with its sources, is sufficient to <i>establish</i> notability. Therefore, even if a subject is notable, a draft is often declined for insufficient sources. That is not a judgement on the topic's notability – that is a judgement on the state of the draft, and a request for improvement.
  1634. </p>
  1635. <h5><span class="mw-headline" id="Workflow">Workflow</span></h5>
  1636. <p>The AfC flowchart requires that reviewers check that topics don't already exist, are encyclopedic, are notable, and are reliably sourced. For living persons, it requires an additional check that inline citations are used. This draft failed both the reliably sourced checkpoint and the inline citation checkpoint.
  1637. </p><p>Presently the flowchart makes no mention of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOFIXIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOFIXIT">WP:SOFIXIT</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a>. Many reviewers, including myself, occasionally fix up and accept drafts in this state, but there is presently no requirement to do so before declining a draft.
  1638. </p>
  1639. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Regrets">Regrets</span></h3>
  1640. <p>With the benefit of hindsight, I wish that I had taken a few extra minutes to search for additional sources and promote this draft to mainspace myself. Obviously I could not have known that Strickland would win a Nobel prize, nor could I have known that the original author wasn't going to stick around to develop this further and see their work successfully reviewed.
  1641. </p><p>Nevertheless, I had an opportunity to work on an article on a Canadian who would later make history, and I missed it.
  1642. </p>
  1643. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Going_forward">Going forward</span></h3>
  1644. <p>In the days following the media attention, several observations have been made about things that we could do differently. Without any changes to the guidelines or processes, this incident is very likely to be repeated.
  1645. </p>
  1646. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Attract_more_editors">Attract more editors</span></h4>
  1647. <p>It is a crying shame that only two people ever made an attempt to write an article about Strickland. The first, from 2014, was deleted as a blatant copyright violation.<sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-8">&#91;8&#93;</a></sup> The second, in May, was abandoned as quickly as it was submitted, the author likely deterred by the two month backlog at AfC. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Campbpt0" title="User talk:Campbpt0">The author of the draft</a> was welcomed, was invited to the Teahouse, and was invited to engage in conversation with other editors and reviewers about the draft.
  1648. </p><p>I hope that the media attention about the lack of coverage of women in Wikipedia will help attract more editors. Evidence from past controversies suggests it will.
  1649. </p>
  1650. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Attract_more_AfC_reviewers">Attract more AfC reviewers</span></h4>
  1651. <p>There is presently a backlog of approximately 4,000 drafts, with a wait time of over two months. AfC has suffered from a number of reviewers abandoning the WikiProject due to criticism, and has been criticized broadly for years across the Wikipedia community. Any expectations of additional work to be done by AfC reviewers, such as a BEFORE search, will drastically increase the backlog and increase the need for more reviewers.
  1652. </p>
  1653. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Require_a_BEFORE_search_when_declining_AfC_drafts">Require a BEFORE search when declining AfC drafts</span></h4>
  1654. <p>If a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">BEFORE</a> search were part of the AfC workflow when declining drafts, this step could turn up additional sources and lead to a definitive answer on whether the reviewer thinks the subject is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notable</a>, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NEXIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NEXIST">WP:NEXIST</a>. The impact of this change on the AfC project and on the article creation process would have to be carefully considered, but in the wake of this incident a proposal to change this may need to be brought to the community.
  1655. </p>
  1656. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="AfC_sorting">AfC sorting</span></h4>
  1657. <p>A system of sorting and tagging AfC drafts based on topic area or potential notability would help draw experts into AfC, which could help improve drafts such as this. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DELSORT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DELSORT">WP:DELSORT</a>, a similar project at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">WP:AFD</a>, could be used as a starting point.
  1658. </p>
  1659. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Clearly_identify_reliable_sources">Clearly identify reliable sources</span></h4>
  1660. <p>It is not clear that <a href="/wiki/The_Optical_Society" title="The Optical Society">The Optical Society</a> is considered a reliable source. A quick look at our article on the society <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/831418386" title="Special:PermanentLink/831418386">at the time</a> reveals conflict of interest issues, including a reliance on self-published sources. The society is not mentioned as reliable in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">WP:PROF</a>, nor is there any evidence of Wikipedia editors arriving at a consensus as to the reliability of this source.
  1661. </p>
  1662. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Resolve_discrepancies_between_PROF_and_N">Resolve discrepancies between PROF and N</span></h4>
  1663. <p>Various editors have claimed that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">WP:PROF</a> does not require independent sourcing, yet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">WP:N</a>, particularly <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NRV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NRV">WP:NRV</a> states that the requirement for independent reliable sources applies to all articles, even if they are subject to a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SNG">specific notability guideline</a> such as PROF.
  1664. </p>
  1665. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Abolish_AfC">Abolish AfC</span></h4>
  1666. <p>If none of the above can be done, the community may want to consider whether to abolish AfC altogether. If this draft had been created directly in mainspace, it would have likely languished as a poorly-sourced BLP, but at least we would have had an article. (I'm not sure that's preferable, but it may be a conversation for the community to have.)
  1667. </p>
  1668. <h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Be_grateful_for_the_media_attention">Be grateful for the media attention</span></h4>
  1669. <p>The lack of coverage of biographies of women in Wikipedia is a well-known problem, and after this media attention even more people are aware of it. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WOMRED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WOMRED">WikiProject Women in Red</a> have worked hard to provide balance, but still more editors are needed.
  1670. </p>
  1671. Awareness of the issue of gender bias goes beyond Wikipedia as well. <a href="/wiki/Katherine_Maher" title="Katherine Maher">Katherine Maher</a> of the <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation" title="Wikimedia Foundation">Wikimedia Foundation</a> tweeted in response to this media attention: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r856303468">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 40px}.mw-parser-output .templatequote .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;padding-left:1.6em;margin-top:0}</style><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Journalists — if you’re going to come after @Wikipedia for it’s coverage of women, check your own coverage first. We’re a mirror of the world’s biases, not the source of them. We can’t write articles about what you don’t cover.<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-9">&#91;9&#93;</a></sup>
  1672. </p></blockquote>
  1673. Or as <i><a href="/wiki/Le_Monde" title="Le Monde">Le Monde</a></i> says: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r856303468"/><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>Is the blame on Wikipedia, the media, the research? "<i>We live in a world where a woman won a Nobel Prize without even being promoted to a professor, and you wonder why women leave the university world,</i>" says a young researcher on Twitter. "<i>Between this status and the debacle of the Wikipedia page, what is certain is that her work is (or at least was) not considered as it should have. This seems recurrent among women in the academic world.</i>"<sup id="cite_ref-lemonde_6-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-lemonde-6">&#91;6&#93;</a></sup>
  1674. </p></blockquote>
  1675. <p>It is my hope that the criticism of this event and all the media attention will help to make Wikipedia better in its quest to document the sum of all human knowledge. If some of us have to take a beating for this, at least it's a worthy cause.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-10">&#91;10&#93;</a></sup>
  1676. </p>
  1677. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="See_also">See also</span></h3>
  1678. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_Seigenthaler_biography_incident" title="Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident">Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident</a></li>
  1679. <li><a href="/wiki/List_of_Wikipedia_controversies" title="List of Wikipedia controversies">List of Wikipedia controversies</a></li>
  1680. <li><a href="/wiki/Gender_bias_on_Wikipedia" title="Gender bias on Wikipedia">Gender bias on Wikipedia</a></li>
  1681. <li><a href="/wiki/Notability_in_the_English_Wikipedia" title="Notability in the English Wikipedia">Notability in the English Wikipedia</a></li></ul>
  1682. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="References">References</span></h3>
  1683. <div class="reflist" style="list-style-type: decimal;">
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  1688. </li>
  1689. <li id="cite_note-vox-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-vox_3-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation web"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/10/2/17929366/nobel-prize-physics-donna-strickland">"The 2018 Nobel Prize reminds us that women scientists too often go unrecognized"</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=unknown&amp;rft.btitle=The+2018+Nobel+Prize+reminds+us+that+women+scientists+too+often+go+unrecognized&amp;rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Fscience-and-health%2F2018%2F10%2F2%2F17929366%2Fnobel-prize-physics-donna-strickland&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FOpinion" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/></span>
  1690. </li>
  1691. <li id="cite_note-guardian-4"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="#cite_ref-guardian_4-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-guardian_4-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation web">Cecco, Leyland (3 October 2018). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/oct/03/donna-strickland-nobel-physics-prize-wikipedia-denied">"Female Nobel prize winner deemed not important enough for Wikipedia entry"</a>. <i>the Guardian</i>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.genre=unknown&amp;rft.jtitle=the+Guardian&amp;rft.atitle=Female+Nobel+prize+winner+deemed+not+important+enough+for+Wikipedia+entry&amp;rft.date=2018-10-03&amp;rft.aulast=Cecco&amp;rft.aufirst=Leyland&amp;rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fscience%2F2018%2Foct%2F03%2Fdonna-strickland-nobel-physics-prize-wikipedia-denied&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FOpinion" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/></span>
  1692. </li>
  1693. <li id="cite_note-spiegel-5"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-spiegel_5-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation web"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/donna-strickland-wikipedia-verweigerte-nobelpreistraegerin-eintrag-a-1231494.html">"Donna Strickland: Nicht wichtig genug - Wikipedia verweigerte Nobelpreisträgerin einen Eintrag"</a>. 4 October 2018  &#8211; via Spiegel Online.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=unknown&amp;rft.btitle=Donna+Strickland%3A+Nicht+wichtig+genug+-+Wikipedia+verweigerte+Nobelpreistr%C3%A4gerin+einen+Eintrag&amp;rft.date=2018-10-04&amp;rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fwissenschaft%2Fmensch%2Fdonna-strickland-wikipedia-verweigerte-nobelpreistraegerin-eintrag-a-1231494.html&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FOpinion" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/></span>
  1694. </li>
  1695. <li id="cite_note-lemonde-6"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="#cite_ref-lemonde_6-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-lemonde_6-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation web"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2018/10/03/pourquoi-donna-strickland-n-etait-pas-sur-wikipedia-avant-d-avoir-son-nobel-de-physique_5364210_4408996.html">"Prix Nobel&#160;: pourquoi Donna Strickland n'était pas sur Wikipédia avant de remporter celui de physique"</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=unknown&amp;rft.btitle=Prix+Nobel+%3A+pourquoi+Donna+Strickland+n%E2%80%99%C3%A9tait+pas+sur+Wikip%C3%A9dia+avant+de+remporter+celui+de+physique&amp;rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonde.fr%2Fpixels%2Farticle%2F2018%2F10%2F03%2Fpourquoi-donna-strickland-n-etait-pas-sur-wikipedia-avant-d-avoir-son-nobel-de-physique_5364210_4408996.html&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FOpinion" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/></span>
  1696. </li>
  1697. <li id="cite_note-7"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-7">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation web"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bradv&amp;oldid=862312498&amp;diff=prev">"User talk:Bradv"</a>. 3 October 2018  &#8211; via Wikipedia.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=unknown&amp;rft.btitle=User+talk%3ABradv&amp;rft.date=2018-10-03&amp;rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DUser_talk%3ABradv%26oldid%3D862312498%26diff%3Dprev&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FOpinion" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/></span>
  1698. </li>
  1699. <li id="cite_note-8"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-8">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation web"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&amp;action=view&amp;page=Donna_Strickland&amp;type=delete">"Deletion log"</a>  &#8211; via Wikipedia.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=unknown&amp;rft.btitle=Deletion+log&amp;rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DSpecial%3ALog%26action%3Dview%26page%3DDonna_Strickland%26type%3Ddelete&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FOpinion" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/></span>
  1700. </li>
  1701. <li id="cite_note-9"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-9">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation web"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/krmaher/status/1047453672790093824">"Katherine Muahahar on Twitter"</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=unknown&amp;rft.btitle=Katherine+Muahahar+on+Twitter&amp;rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fkrmaher%2Fstatus%2F1047453672790093824&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FOpinion" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/></span>
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  1703. <li id="cite_note-10"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-10">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><cite class="citation web"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bradv&amp;oldid=862345534&amp;diff=prev">"User talk:Bradv"</a>. 3 October 2018  &#8211; via Wikipedia.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=unknown&amp;rft.btitle=User+talk%3ABradv&amp;rft.date=2018-10-03&amp;rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DUser_talk%3ABradv%26oldid%3D862345534%26diff%3Dprev&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FOpinion" class="Z3988"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r861714446"/></span>
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  1714. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Op-ed" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Op-ed">Op-ed</a>
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  1721. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Special_report_2" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Special report 2">Special report 2</a>
  1722. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In focus">In focus</a>
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  1733. <p><a href="/wiki/User:Bradv" title="User:Bradv">Bradv</a>, you certainly have nothing to feel bad about, you were just doing a volunteer task that you took on and you did it well. A key point you made is that there have been many other Nobel Prize winners who did not have an article before they won the prize. So this was not unusual, and certainly not a gender-bias incident. But journalists and editors "jumped" on the story, and the angle they used - woman wins Nobel Prize previously shunned by Wikipedia - was, given the previous history of the non-existence of articles about many winners, a stretch. "Wikipedia gets unfairly bumped around again by the media" seems more accurate. Thanks for all of your good work here. <a href="/wiki/User:Randy_Kryn" title="User:Randy Kryn">Randy Kryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randy_Kryn" title="User talk:Randy Kryn">talk</a>) 19:33, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
  1734. </p>
  1735. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Bradv" title="User:Bradv">Bradv</a>, the only point I can see at which events could have been done differently, which you touch upon as "AfC sorting", is to tag the declined draft with the relevant WikiProjects. It's not in the flowchart, and it's only in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Reviewing_instructions" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions">reviewing instructions</a> for accepted articles - and even that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation#Proposed_removal_of_&quot;Add_any_Wikiproject_banners&quot;" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation">is currently being challenged</a>.</li></ul>
  1736. <dl><dd>There was certainly nothing "wrong" in your assessment of the draft as it stood. Asking AfC reviewers to rewrite and research articles would be inviting the collapse of the system under an un-satisfiable workload. I'm sorry for the grief you took on the wiki's behalf.</dd>
  1737. <dd>As for the news coverage - re-write it in your mind as <span style="color:green;">Lazy journalists turn to Wikipedia for cut-and-paste material to meet their deadlines. Find nothing. Decide to write outraged item about Wikipedia instead as being the quicker and easier option.</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Cabayi" title="User:Cabayi">Cabayi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cabayi" title="User talk:Cabayi">talk</a>) 20:52, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl>
  1738. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Bradv" title="User:Bradv">Bradv</a> - My own $0.02 is that you were spot on. AfC deliberately doesn't involve a BEFORE check (given our current backlog set-up we'd melt under it - it would be more like an enforced RA). No attempt to reach out by the news sources to anyone who actually knows something about AfC. Rather unimpressed by the press statements by a couple of senior figures in Wiki who should know better. Thanks for writing this nice and calm response in the wake of a fair chunk of unwarranted hostility. <a href="/wiki/User:Nosebagbear" title="User:Nosebagbear">Nosebagbear</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nosebagbear" title="User talk:Nosebagbear">talk</a>) 21:18, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  1739. <ul><li>A very common misunderstanding is over "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"; this is a requirement for notability, not for high-quality sourcing of the article. It doesn't mean, as one editor thought, that an article on netball needs to be written from books about cricket.  <a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7"><span style="color:#9933ff">Hawkeye7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7" title="User talk:Hawkeye7"><span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span></a> 21:46, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</li>
  1740. <li><a href="/wiki/User:Bradv" title="User:Bradv">Bradv</a>, I looked at the draft you declined, and you were correct to decline it as lacking independent sources, which are required for <i>every</i> article on <i>any</i> subject. You did nothing wrong here; the media just (rather understandably, I suppose) doesn't understand how our processes work. This was not a case of "gender bias", as evidenced by the finding that a third of Nobel winners had no article at the time of their win. I would not support AfC reviewers having to do a "BEFORE" type evaluation, as declining a draft is very different from nominating for deletion. The point of "BEFORE" is to avoid wasting the community's time with a deletion discussion when even a cursory look for references would have revealed that enough exist even if they aren't currently cited. Declining a draft doesn't remove the article or require a discussion, it just tells the creator that they've got some more work to do. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> 22:12, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  1741. <ul><li>I consider the decline <s> unambiguously</s> erroneous. The guideline for accepting drafts is that as an article it would probably pass AfD, and this would, because the referencing inadequacies were easily fixable. The discussion above is based on the view that they had to be fixed first. AfC is not for determining notability, so the question of whether the sources were adequate to show notability in the declined version is irrelevant. (I personally think they were-- that obviously reliable primary sources are sufficient, though not ideal, but even if I thought otherwise I would have accepted. Frankly, I guessed at the time that it was declined because President OSA had not been noticed, which would have been an understandable error. ) <b><a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG"> DGG</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DGG" title="User talk:DGG"> talk </a>) 04:32, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  1742. <dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG">DGG</a>:</span> I've been discussing this incident with a variety of editors for nearly a month now, and I'm having considerable trouble understanding your comment. I believe I reviewed my own actions honestly, and I've gone over every aspect of the AfC project from top to bottom trying to understand what might have gone wrong. Every aspect of what you just mentioned is covered within the essay, yet you somehow still see it differently. You characterize my actions as <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r852319148"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">unambiguously erroneous</q>, which, frankly, is incredibly confusing and a little hard to take. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bradv" title="User talk:Bradv"><span style="color:#C60">Brad</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bradv" title="Special:Contributions/Bradv"><span style="color:#C60">v</span></a> 04:57, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></li></ul>
  1743. <dl><dd>placeholder until tomorrow, but I'm going to strike the "unambiguously". <b><a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG"> DGG</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DGG" title="User talk:DGG"> talk </a>) 05:08, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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  1746. <ul><li>I've been wondering if we should do something about our communication towards editors here.. Our nomenclature is rather clinical and "Declining a draft" might potentially be interpreted as "topic declined" or simply be interpreted as discouraging further pursuit. I was wondering if perhaps the usage of more engaging words like "requires improvement", "not ready for publication" or similar to encourage people might make a difference. —<a href="/wiki/User:TheDJ" title="User:TheDJ">Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheDJ" title="User talk:TheDJ">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheDJ" title="Special:Contributions/TheDJ">contribs</a>) 16:00, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  1747. <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:TheDJ" title="User:TheDJ">TheDJ</a>:</span> - it's definitely not an evidently wrong idea, but there are cases where I feel that the slightly stronger language of Decline (but not "Reject") is apropos. This disagreement is purely within me, so I imagine that we might get a fair set of mixed views on the matter if you raised it in AfC. Perhaps a gentler one for referencing and a decline for advertorial et al? <a href="/wiki/User:Nosebagbear" title="User:Nosebagbear">Nosebagbear</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nosebagbear" title="User talk:Nosebagbear">talk</a>) 18:36, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  1748. <dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Nosebagbear" title="User:Nosebagbear">Nosebagbear</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:TheDJ" title="User:TheDJ">TheDJ</a>:</span> To 'decline' something is to refuse it politely and rather formally (I am sorry to have to decline your offer). 'Reject' suggests that what is on offer is felt to be not good enough (an article or book which a publisher has rejected). <small>– BET</small>.   <i>Reject</i> is the far stronger word and is more final, personally I would reserve it for clearly inappropriate or totally inadmissible submissions. <i>Decline</i> leaves a more temporary notion such as 'decline (for now)'. <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) 22:53, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  1749. <dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung</a>:</span> - I do reserve reject for very rare cases, hence why I delineated it from the "slightly stronger" - in effect, reject is a rough indication that if it is re-submitted, it should at least be considered whether to send it to MFD. <a href="/wiki/User:Nosebagbear" title="User:Nosebagbear">Nosebagbear</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nosebagbear" title="User talk:Nosebagbear">talk</a>) 23:25, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
  1750. <ul><li>How is the OSA not a reliable source for its own officers? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/73.222.1.26" title="Special:Contributions/73.222.1.26">73.222.1.26</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:73.222.1.26&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:73.222.1.26 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 18:12, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
  1751. <dl><dd>The OSA is a reliable source for its own officers, but was it clear that being an officer of the OSA conferred sufficient notability? How would that have been established? If I had reviewed the draft as it stands, I would also have asked for better sourcing to establish notability. The problem is not with the subject of the article, it is with the insufficiency of the article. It is not the reviewer's responsibility to fix the article. It is the reviewer's responsibility to not pass the article if it is not ready.</dd>
  1752. <dd>Do we see anyone blaming the author of the article? That would also be unreasonable, as they were under no obligation to write it. One might as well blame everyone else who didn't write it or fix it. There is nothing special about the way this draft was handled. Cheers, &#183; &#183; &#183; <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter (Southwood)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood"><sup>(talk)</sup></a>: 19:32, 30 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></li>
  1753. <li>Bradv, I have a great admiration for your transparency and bravery in this Opinion piece. Not everyone would have responded as you have and I think knowing the background of the event (not-having-a-Strikland-article event) is very helpful in sorting things out. <a href="/wiki/User:Barbara_(WVS)" title="User:Barbara (WVS)">Barbara</a>&#160;<span style="color: darkred;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barbara_(WVS)" title="User talk:Barbara (WVS)">✐ </a>&#160;<a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Barbara_(WVS)" title="Special:EmailUser/Barbara (WVS)">✉ </a></span> 09:20, 31 October 2018 (UTC)</li>
  1754. <li>I don't recall having worked in AFC, so I don't have a full understanding of the process. From Bradv's explanation above, it seems that what he did was standard, which I find odd. What is the purpose of AFC if all that happens when an unregistered, inexperienced user submits <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Donna_Strickland&amp;direction=prev&amp;oldid=842614385">this article</a>, is that the article gets  <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=842614385">a template</a>, and the user gets <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Campbpt0&amp;oldid=842614387">a template</a>, and the article is then ignored. Nobody is benefiting from that at all. If the article had been created in mainspace it would have fared better, especially if it had been taken to AFD where people would have made an attempt to strengthen sources. While I understand and sympathise with Bradv's explanation that this is what AFC does, and they can't do any better, it does seem odd that an article that is not obviously crap, and has significant enough indicators to alert people to the notability of the subject (there is clear assertion of notability - enough to withstand a Prod or a Speedy, and clues are that she co-invented something on which we already had an article which mentioned her by name - <a href="/wiki/Chirped_pulse_amplification" title="Chirped pulse amplification">Chirped pulse amplification</a>, and was given several awards, two of which we have articles on - <a href="/wiki/Research_Corporation#Grants_Programs:_Cottrell_Scholar_Awards" title="Research Corporation">Research_Corporation#Grants_Programs:_Cottrell_Scholar_Awards</a> and <a href="/wiki/Sloan_Research_Fellowship" title="Sloan Research Fellowship">Sloan Research Fellowship</a> - the latter indicating that "Since the beginning of the program in 1955, 43 fellows have won a Nobel Prize", and she was an Optical Society President - all of whom, bar two at the time of submission, had articles on Wikipedia: <a href="/wiki/The_Optical_Society#OSA_presidents" title="The Optical Society">The_Optical_Society#OSA_presidents</a>). If the article had been created in mainspace and submitted to AFD, it would have fared better than going through AFC under the current system. So, I don't see that Bradv did anything wrong, but I do see causes for concern in AFC if the system is geared not to assist an article other than put templates on it and the user who created it. If, as Bradv argues, asking the reviewers to do a bit more than accept or reject articles will lead to an even greater backlog and a reluctance to get more volunteers involved, then perhaps we need to consider the process itself, or even if AFC should continue. Does the AFC acceptance process set the bar too high (after all we do have AfD for dubious articles)? Or could the process be more geared to assisting the article, rather than accepting or rejecting a user's submission. The inexperienced user who created the article has done their bit, and should not be expected to carry the burden - we should take that on as experienced Wikipedians. One  suggestion could be to send declines to AFD rather than back to the creator (who may, as in this case, already have left Wikipedia). Whatever we do, we cannot allow decent draft articles like <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Donna_Strickland&amp;direction=prev&amp;oldid=842614385">Donna Strickland</a> to be simply templated and left ignored in limbo. <a href="/wiki/User:SilkTork" title="User:SilkTork">SilkTork</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilkTork" title="User talk:SilkTork">talk</a>) 11:20, 31 October 2018 (UTC)</li>
  1755. <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r852319148"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">Where BEFORE comes into play at AfC is when nominating a draft for deletion at WP:MFD, which is an attempt to gain community consensus that a draft has no value to the project and should be deleted.</q> Bradv is wrong here, BEFORE plays no role in the normal AfC process whatsoever. All AfC drafts are automatically deleted with no BEFORE after 6 months with no edits per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G13" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G13">WP:G13</a>, and had the Nobel been awarded just a couple months later this draft undoubtedly would have already been <i>speedied</i> in this fashion. This is the normal state of affairs; as many have noted, Bradv did not act out of line with community norms. This case can hopefully lead the community to recognize some of the more perverse consequences of the relatively new G13 criterion, especially in combination with the importance <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACREQ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACREQ">ACREQ</a> has conferred on AfC. <a href="/wiki/User:A2soup" title="User:A2soup">A2soup</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A2soup" title="User talk:A2soup">talk</a>) 01:03, 2 November 2018 (UTC)</li>
  1756. <li>Thanks for writing this, but you don't mention the strongest claim for notability in the draft, in the last sentence ".... and served as the OSA president in 2013." Being one of their fellows isn't imo prima facie evidence of notability, but being president probably is - we have at <a href="/wiki/The_Optical_Society#OSA_presidents" title="The Optical Society">The_Optical_Society#OSA_presidents</a> a huge list - all now blue though at that time at least one was red. But I must say when I first looked at it (after the Nobel) I missed the significance of that too, and thought the draft didn't demonstrate notability - but then I don't edit declining things in areas I'm not very familiar with. Looking further at the OSA presidency &amp; hearing what those better informed said about her citation index figures then pursuaded me I was wrong. I hope the University of Waterloo (Associate Professor only) and <a href="/wiki/Royal_Society_of_Canada" title="Royal Society of Canada">Royal Society of Canada</a> (not a fellow) feel equally embarassed. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnbod" title="User:Johnbod">Johnbod</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnbod" title="User talk:Johnbod">talk</a>) 04:38, 4 November 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
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  1837. <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/StumbleUpon_Logo.svg/12px-StumbleUpon_Logo.svg.png" width="12" height="12" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/StumbleUpon_Logo.svg/18px-StumbleUpon_Logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/StumbleUpon_Logo.svg/24px-StumbleUpon_Logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="300" data-file-height="300" />&#8194;<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia%3AWikipedia_Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FOp-ed&amp;title=Wikipedia%27s+Strickland+affair">StumbleUpon</a></li>
  1838. <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Digg-new.svg/12px-Digg-new.svg.png" width="12" height="8" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Digg-new.svg/18px-Digg-new.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Digg-new.svg/24px-Digg-new.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="54" data-file-height="34" />&#8194;<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://digg.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia%3AWikipedia_Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FOp-ed&amp;title=Wikipedia%27s+Strickland+affair}">Digg</a></li></ul>
  1839. </div>
  1840. </div>
  1841. </div>
  1842. <span class="signpost-author">By <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo">GreenMeansGo</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Markus_P%C3%B6ssel" title="User:Markus Pössel">Markus Pössel</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman">Chris Troutman</a> </span></div></div>
  1843. <div class="signpost-article" style="padding: 0 2vw; max-width:80em; margin: 0 auto;">
  1844. <div style="line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  1845. <div class="floatleft"><a href="/wiki/File:Donna_Strickland_and_Steve_Chu.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of Donna Strickland presenting Steve Chu with the Advocate of Optics Award at The Optical Society&#39;s leadership meeting in 2013" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Donna_Strickland_and_Steve_Chu.jpg/800px-Donna_Strickland_and_Steve_Chu.jpg" width="800" height="534" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Donna_Strickland_and_Steve_Chu.jpg 1.5x" data-file-width="1198" data-file-height="800" /></a></div><div style="clear:left;max-width:780px;padding:5px; padding-top:0px; margin-left:10px;font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em"><a href="/wiki/Donna_Strickland" title="Donna Strickland">Donna Strickland</a> and <a href="/wiki/Steven_Chu" title="Steven Chu">Steven Chu</a> in 2013, among the images freely licensed by <a href="/wiki/The_Optical_Society" title="The Optical Society">The Optical Society</a> and released, with the help of <a href="/wiki/User:Tinynull" title="User:Tinynull">Tinynull</a>, to support volunteer work on Wikipedia</div>
  1846. <div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;font-style: italic; border-top: 2px solid #cccccc; border-bottom: 2px solid #cccccc; padding: 0.5em 0em 0.5em;;">This month's op-ed is presented by three contributors who each have a different perspective on the events surrounding the biography on <a href="/wiki/Donna_Strickland" title="Donna Strickland">Donna Strickland</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Nobel_Prize" title="Nobel Prize">Nobel Prize</a> winner announced earlier this month.</div>
  1847. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="What_Donna_Strickland_can_teach_us_about_the_media_and_ourselves">What Donna Strickland can teach us about the media and ourselves</span></h3>
  1848. </div>
  1849. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  1850. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Nettie_Stevens.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Black-and-white portrait photograph of Nettie Stevens in 1904 wearing a large black hat and formal attire" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Nettie_Stevens.jpg/200px-Nettie_Stevens.jpg" width="200" height="263" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Nettie_Stevens.jpg/300px-Nettie_Stevens.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Nettie_Stevens.jpg/400px-Nettie_Stevens.jpg 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="789" /></a></div></div>
  1851. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><a href="/wiki/Nettie_Stevens" title="Nettie Stevens">Nettie Stevens</a>, geneticist</div></div>
  1852. </div>
  1853. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  1854. </div>
  1855. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  1856. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Vera_Rubin.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Portrait photograph of Vera Rubin in 2009" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Vera_Rubin.jpg" width="200" height="265" data-file-width="159" data-file-height="211" /></a></div></div>
  1857. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><a href="/wiki/Vera_Rubin" title="Vera Rubin">Vera Rubin</a>, astronomer</div></div>
  1858. </div>
  1859. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  1860. </div>
  1861. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  1862. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Leavitt_aavso.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Black-and-white portrait photograph of Henrietta Swan Leavitt" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Leavitt_aavso.jpg/200px-Leavitt_aavso.jpg" width="200" height="261" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Leavitt_aavso.jpg/300px-Leavitt_aavso.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Leavitt_aavso.jpg/400px-Leavitt_aavso.jpg 2x" data-file-width="460" data-file-height="601" /></a></div></div>
  1863. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><a href="/wiki/Henrietta_Leavitt" class="mw-redirect" title="Henrietta Leavitt">Henrietta Leavitt</a>, astronomer</div></div>
  1864. </div>
  1865. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  1866. </div>
  1867. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  1868. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Selma_Lagerl%C3%B6f.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Black-and-white portrait photograph of Selma Lagerlöf in 1909" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Selma_Lagerl%C3%B6f.jpg/200px-Selma_Lagerl%C3%B6f.jpg" width="200" height="283" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Selma_Lagerl%C3%B6f.jpg 1.5x" data-file-width="280" data-file-height="396" /></a></div></div>
  1869. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;"><a href="/wiki/Selma_Lagerl%C3%B6f" title="Selma Lagerlöf">Selma Lagerlöf</a>, Nobel Prize in Literature</div></div>
  1870. </div>
  1871. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  1872. <div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">By <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo">GreenMeansGo</a></div>
  1873. <p>All eyes this month were on the newest round of <a href="/wiki/Nobel_laureates" class="mw-redirect" title="Nobel laureates">Nobel laureates</a> being announced—that is, all eyes that weren't squarely focused on Wikipedia's coverage of one newly minted Nobel laureate in particular, <a href="/wiki/Donna_Strickland" title="Donna Strickland">Donna Strickland</a>, who on 2 October became <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45655151">the third woman ever</a> to be awarded the <a href="/wiki/Nobel_Prize_in_Physics" title="Nobel Prize in Physics">Nobel Prize in Physics</a>. As it turns out, we had an article on her previously: it was first <a href="/wiki/Special:Redirect/logid/55236695" title="Special:Redirect/logid/55236695">deleted in 2014</a> as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COPYVIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COPYVIO">copyright violation</a>. Then, a draft at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AfC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AfC">Articles for Creation</a> was declined <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/842614385" title="Special:PermanentLink/842614385">in May of this year</a> for insufficient sourcing.
  1874. </p><p>All this caused quite a stir, to say the least. But what was striking, at least to me, was not that it garnered as much attention as it did (the <a href="/wiki/Gender_bias_on_Wikipedia" title="Gender bias on Wikipedia">gender gap on Wikipedia</a> is something many of us have been talking about for years), but instead how much of that attention seemed to <em>completely miss the mark</em> and, in many cases, reveal a fundamental misunderstanding among the media about what Wikipedia is and how it works.
  1875. </p><p>Some targets are clearly just too easy. <a href="/wiki/CNN-News18" title="CNN-News18">CNN-News18</a> offered up a mostly <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/was-donna-strickland-not-famous-enough-for-wikipedia-before-her-nobel-prize-announcement-1896543.html">laughable collage</a> of grossly uninformed tweets which would have you believe that <span class="nowrap">"[e]very</span> single @Wikipedia editor who voted against an entry for Dr. Donna Strickland needs to have their editing and voting privileges suspended for 6 months", as if we need to have a <a href="/wiki/Election_recount" title="Election recount">recount</a>. Needless to say, Wikipedia does <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTDEMOCRACY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTDEMOCRACY">not</a> work that way.
  1876. </p><p>Other, more serious journalism still manages their own myriad problems. <i><a href="/wiki/The_Times" title="The Times">The Times</a></i> called Strickland's winning the Nobel "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nobel-prize-winner-professor-donna-strickland-wasn-t-famous-enough-for-wikipedia-jx6pn7v2v">one way to win a Wikipedia editing war</a>", from which we can only conclude that they simply don't know what an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EW">edit war</a> is. <i><a href="/wiki/Fortune_(magazine)" title="Fortune (magazine)">Fortune</a></i> originally wrote that <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20181004140116/http://fortune.com/2018/10/04/how-we-can-all-fix-wikipedias-lack-of-female-representation/">the draft had been deleted</a>, while at the same time linking to the draft itself, which could be linked because, of course, it hadn't actually been deleted. To their credit, however, they at least amended their story on 5 October after I sent them an email.
  1877. </p><p>One common theme appearing in a number of publications was that, in all their writing about Wikipedia, no one had apparently taken the time to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">our policy on notability</a> (we even have <a href="/wiki/Notability_in_the_English_Wikipedia" title="Notability in the English Wikipedia">an article</a> on it!) and had no indication how Articles for Creation works. <i><a href="/wiki/The_Guardian" title="The Guardian">The Guardian</a></i> lambasted us for determining that Strickland was "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/oct/03/donna-strickland-nobel-physics-prize-wikipedia-denied">not important enough</a>", <i><a href="/wiki/Business_Insider" title="Business Insider">Business Insider</a></i> for saying "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.businessinsider.com/wikipedia-rejected-donna-strickland-entry-before-nobel-prize-2018-10">she wasn't famous enough</a>", with <i><a href="/wiki/The_Daily_Beast" title="The Daily Beast">The Daily Beast</a></i> echoing that she was "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.thedailybeast.com/nobel-laureate-donna-strickland-judged-not-famous-enough-for-wikipedia-page-before-win-report">not famous enough for Wikipedia</a>". Naturally, if they had taken the time to read our policy on notability, they would have made it to the fifth sentence <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/862253683" title="Special:PermanentLink/862253683">noting</a> that "[d]etermining notability does not <em>necessarily</em> depend on things such as fame, importance, or popularity" (emphasis in original). All this is notwithstanding the fact that rejections at Articles for Creation are not the end of the line, but are an avenue to provide feedback so that users can improve their submissions, make them ready for the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MAINSPACE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MAINSPACE">mainspace</a>, and finally publish them. Even <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation" title="Wikimedia Foundation">Wikimedia Foundation</a> director <a href="/wiki/Katherine_Maher" title="Katherine Maher">Katherine Maher</a>, in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-maher-wikipedia-gender-bias-20181018-story.html">her piece</a> in the <i><a href="/wiki/Los_Angeles_Times" title="Los Angeles Times">Los Angeles Times</a></i>, fails to elucidate the difference between non-notable and not-ready-to-publish.
  1878. </p><p>Another common theme was to point out that <a href="/wiki/G%C3%A9rard_Mourou" title="Gérard Mourou">Gérard Mourou</a>, who shared the prize with Strickland, had an article as early as 2005, as did <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/donna-strickland-wikipedia-nobel-prize-physics-university-of-waterloo-stem-a8568851.html">The Independent</a></i>, <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.thecut.com/2018/10/wikipedia-didnt-give-this-nobel-prize-winner-a-page.html">The Cut</a></i>, and <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/10/2/17929366/nobel-prize-physics-donna-strickland">Vox</a></i>. None of them seemed to notice, as <a href="/wiki/User:Ian_(Wiki_Ed)" title="User:Ian (Wiki Ed)">Ian Ramjohn</a> from the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Education_Foundation" class="extiw" title="m:Wiki Education Foundation">Wiki Education Foundation</a> points out in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikiedu.org/blog/2018/10/04/help-ensure-women-like-donna-strickland-are-represented-on-wikipedia/">his own post</a>, that "[s]ince 2007, across the fields of Physics, Chemistry, and Physiology and Medicine, 91 scientists have received Nobel Prizes. Twelve of them, including Donna Strickland, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1047802023092076544.html">didn't have a Wikipedia biography until after their Nobel Prize was announced</a>."
  1879. </p>
  1880. <table role="presentation" class="metadata mbox-small" style="background-color:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #aaa;color:#000;margin-right:-12em">
  1881. <tbody><tr>
  1882. <td style="width:1px"></td>
  1883. <td class="mbox-text plainlist">For a detailed list of laureates along with the creation dates of their Wikipedia articles, see <a href="/wiki/User:Markus_P%C3%B6ssel/Nobel_Laureates_and_Wikipedia_Pages" title="User:Markus Pössel/Nobel Laureates and Wikipedia Pages">this breakdown</a> covering the past ten years, compiled by <a href="/wiki/User:Markus_P%C3%B6ssel" title="User:Markus Pössel">Markus Pössel</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table>
  1884. <p>Perhaps my favorite is again from <i><a href="/wiki/Vox_(website)" title="Vox (website)">Vox</a></i>, who opine that "[w]omen scientists like Vera Rubin, Nettie Stevens, Henrietta Leavitt, Rosalind Franklin, and so many others ought to be just as famous." Or, as I like to put it: "Women scientists like <a href="/wiki/Vera_Rubin" title="Vera Rubin">Vera Rubin</a> <a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_support_vote.svg" class="image"><img alt="Symbol support vote.svg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /></a>, <a href="/wiki/Nettie_Stevens" title="Nettie Stevens">Nettie Stevens</a> <a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_c_class.svg" class="image"><img alt="Symbol c class.svg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/15px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/23px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Symbol_c_class.svg/30px-Symbol_c_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /></a>, <a href="/wiki/Henrietta_Leavitt" class="mw-redirect" title="Henrietta Leavitt">Henrietta Leavitt</a> <a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_support_vote.svg" class="image"><img alt="Symbol support vote.svg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /></a>, <a href="/wiki/Rosalind_Franklin" title="Rosalind Franklin">Rosalind Franklin</a> <a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_b_class.svg" class="image"><img alt="Symbol b class.svg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/15px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/23px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Symbol_b_class.svg/30px-Symbol_b_class.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /></a>, and so many others ought to be just as famous."
  1885. </p><p>All this quickly resulted in <a href="/wiki/User:Ed_Erhart_(WMF)" title="User:Ed Erhart (WMF)">Ed Erhart</a> publishing <a href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/2018/10/04/donna-strickland-wikipedia/" class="extiw" title="foundationsite:2018/10/04/donna-strickland-wikipedia/">his own response</a> in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-08-30/News_and_notes#Wikimedia_moves_to_WordPress" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-08-30/News and notes">the new Foundation website</a>, attempting to summarize the events. Meanwhile, in her <i>LA Times</i> piece, Maher rightly recognizes that the gender gap is a serious issue that many people are working hard to combat, not least of whom are people in the vanguard like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red">WikiProject Women in Red</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_scientists" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women scientists">WikiProject Women scientists</a>. As she points out, these efforts have culminated in 86,182 new English-language biographies of women, which "works out to 72 new articles a day, every single day, for the past three and a half years." That is only 17.82% of biographies, however, so we've still got a ways to go.
  1886. </p><p>But the relevant timeline the Foundation gives us, mirroring that offered by a number of sources, is this:
  1887. </p>
  1888. <ul><li>28 March 2018&#160;– "a new volunteer Wikipedia editor ("<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Campbpt0&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Campbpt0 (page does not exist)">Campbpt0</a>") used the English Wikipedia's  'articles for creation' process to submit a draft for review"</li>
  1889. <li>23 May 2018&#160;– "a volunteer editor declined it"</li></ul>
  1890. <p>I'd like to propose an alternative timeline:
  1891. </p>
  1892. <ul><li>09:57, 2 October 2018 (UTC)&#160;– <a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo.png" class="image"><img alt="Wikipedia-logo.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/20px-Wikipedia-logo.png" width="20" height="20" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/30px-Wikipedia-logo.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/40px-Wikipedia-logo.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200" /></a> An <a href="/wiki/Donna_Strickland" title="Donna Strickland">English Wikipedia article</a> was <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/862124333" title="Special:PermanentLink/862124333">created</a> by <a href="/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Lihaas" title="Special:CentralAuth/Lihaas">a user who edits almost entirely in English</a>.</li>
  1893. <li>09:59, 2 October 2018 (UTC)&#160;– <a href="/wiki/File:Wikidata-logo.svg" class="image"><img alt="Wikidata-logo.svg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Wikidata-logo.svg/20px-Wikidata-logo.svg.png" width="20" height="11" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Wikidata-logo.svg/30px-Wikidata-logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Wikidata-logo.svg/40px-Wikidata-logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1050" data-file-height="590" /></a> Two minutes later, a <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q56855591" class="extiw" title="d:Q56855591">Wikidata item</a> was <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/756234139" class="extiw" title="d:Special:PermanentLink/756234139">created</a> by <a href="/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Ochkarik" title="Special:CentralAuth/Ochkarik">a user who edits almost entirely in Russian</a>. In the same minute, the user also <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/95385083" class="extiw" title="ru:Special:PermanentLink/95385083">created</a> the <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4,_%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0" class="extiw" title="ru:Стрикленд, Донна">Russian Wikipedia article</a>.</li>
  1894. <li>10:15, 2 October 2018 (UTC)&#160;– <a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo.png" class="image"><img alt="Wikipedia-logo.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/20px-Wikipedia-logo.png" width="20" height="20" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/30px-Wikipedia-logo.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/40px-Wikipedia-logo.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200" /></a> Sixteen minutes later, a <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="es:Donna Strickland">Spanish language article</a> was <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/111004623" class="extiw" title="es:Special:PermanentLink/111004623">created</a> by <a href="/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Aleuze" title="Special:CentralAuth/Aleuze">a user who edits almost entirely in Spanish</a>.</li>
  1895. <li>10:30, 2 October 2018 (UTC)&#160;– Within the next 15 minutes, articles are created in <a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo.png" class="image"><img alt="Wikipedia-logo.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/20px-Wikipedia-logo.png" width="20" height="20" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/30px-Wikipedia-logo.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/40px-Wikipedia-logo.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200" /></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%94%90%E5%A8%9C%C2%B7%E6%96%AF%E7%89%B9%E9%87%8C%E5%85%8B%E5%85%B0" class="extiw" title="zh:唐娜·斯特里克兰">Chinese</a> (<a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/51494653" class="extiw" title="zh:Special:PermanentLink/51494653">10:22</a>) and <a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo.png" class="image"><img alt="Wikipedia-logo.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/20px-Wikipedia-logo.png" width="20" height="20" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/30px-Wikipedia-logo.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/40px-Wikipedia-logo.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200" /></a> <a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="id:Donna Strickland">Indonesian</a> (<a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/14241118" class="extiw" title="id:Special:PermanentLink/14241118">10:25</a>).</li>
  1896. <li>17:30 2 October 2018 (UTC)&#160;– Over the next six hours, <a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo.png" class="image"><img alt="Wikipedia-logo.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/20px-Wikipedia-logo.png" width="20" height="20" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/30px-Wikipedia-logo.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/40px-Wikipedia-logo.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200" /></a> <strong>15 additional language articles</strong> are created: <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="de:Donna Strickland">German</a> (<a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/181422299" class="extiw" title="de:Special:PermanentLink/181422299">12:05</a>), <a href="https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="eu:Donna Strickland">Basque</a> (<a href="https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/6448021" class="extiw" title="eu:Special:PermanentLink/6448021">12:20</a>), <a href="https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="tr:Donna Strickland">Turkish</a> (<a href="https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/20057779" class="extiw" title="tr:Special:PermanentLink/20057779">12:25</a>), <a href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="pl:Donna Strickland">Polish</a> (<a href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/54613418" class="extiw" title="pl:Special:PermanentLink/54613418">12:27</a>), <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="it:Donna Strickland">Italian</a> (<a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/100056731" class="extiw" title="it:Special:PermanentLink/100056731">12:28</a>), <a href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="sv:Donna Strickland">Swedish</a> (<a href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/43647171" class="extiw" title="sv:Special:PermanentLink/43647171">12:32</a>), <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="fr:Donna Strickland">French</a> (<a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/152682407" class="extiw" title="fr:Special:PermanentLink/152682407">12:33</a>), <a href="https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="ro:Donna Strickland">Romanian</a> (<a href="https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/12399367" class="extiw" title="ro:Special:PermanentLink/12399367">13:22</a>), <a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="nl:Donna Strickland">Dutch</a> (<a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/52384740" class="extiw" title="nl:Special:PermanentLink/52384740">12:34</a>), <a href="https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="vi:Donna Strickland">Vietnamese</a> (<a href="https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/43277267" class="extiw" title="vi:Special:PermanentLink/43277267">13:23</a>), <a href="https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="uk:Donna Strickland">Ukrainian</a> (<a href="https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/23443232" class="extiw" title="uk:Special:PermanentLink/23443232">14:28</a>), <a href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="pt:Donna Strickland">Portuguese</a> (<a href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/53255771" class="extiw" title="pt:Special:PermanentLink/53255771">14:35</a>), <a href="https://as.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="as:Donna Strickland">Assamese</a> (<a href="https://as.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/183700" class="extiw" title="as:Special:PermanentLink/183700">15:25</a>), <a href="https://gl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="gl:Donna Strickland">Galician</a> (<a href="https://gl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/4938500" class="extiw" title="gl:Special:PermanentLink/4938500">16:02</a>), and <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="ca:Donna Strickland">Catalan</a> (<a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/20366544" class="extiw" title="ca:Special:PermanentLink/20366544">16:34</a>).</li>
  1897. <li>09:57, 3 October 2018 (UTC)&#160;– Within 24 hours of the first page creation, <a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo.png" class="image"><img alt="Wikipedia-logo.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/20px-Wikipedia-logo.png" width="20" height="20" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/30px-Wikipedia-logo.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/40px-Wikipedia-logo.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200" /></a> encyclopedia articles have been written in <strong>26 languages</strong>, a <a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo.png" class="image"><img alt="Wikipedia-logo.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/20px-Wikipedia-logo.png" width="20" height="20" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/30px-Wikipedia-logo.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/40px-Wikipedia-logo.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200" /></a> <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="simple:Donna Strickland">Simple English article</a> has been created, and a <a href="/wiki/File:Commons-logo.svg" class="image"><img alt="Commons-logo.svg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/Commons-logo.svg/20px-Commons-logo.svg.png" width="20" height="27" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/Commons-logo.svg/30px-Commons-logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/Commons-logo.svg/40px-Commons-logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1024" data-file-height="1376" /></a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Donna_Strickland" class="extiw" title="c:Category:Donna Strickland">category on Wikimedia Commons</a> has been started.</li>
  1898. <li>09:57, 5 October 2018 (UTC)&#160;– Within 72 hours of the first page creation, <a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo.png" class="image"><img alt="Wikipedia-logo.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/20px-Wikipedia-logo.png" width="20" height="20" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/30px-Wikipedia-logo.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wikipedia-logo.png/40px-Wikipedia-logo.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200" /></a> 9 additional language encyclopedia articles are written, <strong>bringing the total to 36</strong>; the <a href="/wiki/File:Commons-logo.svg" class="image"><img alt="Commons-logo.svg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/Commons-logo.svg/20px-Commons-logo.svg.png" width="20" height="27" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/Commons-logo.svg/30px-Commons-logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/Commons-logo.svg/40px-Commons-logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1024" data-file-height="1376" /></a> Commons category is being filled, in part with help from <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tinynull" class="extiw" title="c:Special:Contributions/Tinynull">a user who is affiliated</a> with <a href="/wiki/The_Optical_Society" title="The Optical Society">The Optical Society</a>, who has <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/862317516" title="Special:Diff/862317516">convinced them</a> to release media under a free license; a <a href="/wiki/File:Wikinews-logo-en.png" class="image"><img alt="Wikinews-logo-en.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Wikinews-logo-en.png/25px-Wikinews-logo-en.png" width="25" height="19" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Wikinews-logo-en.png/38px-Wikinews-logo-en.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Wikinews-logo-en.png/50px-Wikinews-logo-en.png 2x" data-file-width="800" data-file-height="615" /></a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/n:%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4" class="extiw" title="ru:n:Категория:Донна Стрикленд">Russian Wikinews page</a> has been created; and the <a href="/wiki/File:Wikidata-logo.svg" class="image"><img alt="Wikidata-logo.svg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Wikidata-logo.svg/25px-Wikidata-logo.svg.png" width="25" height="14" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Wikidata-logo.svg/38px-Wikidata-logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Wikidata-logo.svg/50px-Wikidata-logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1050" data-file-height="590" /></a> Wikidata item has been <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Diff/756234139/757453433" class="extiw" title="d:Special:Diff/756234139/757453433">edited 197 times by 77 different contributors</a>.</li></ul>
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  1902. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">Among the content released by The Optical Society is this video, which was relicensed for upload onto <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Commons" title="Wikimedia Commons">Wikimedia Commons</a>, with subtitles added in six languages</div></div>
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  1905. <p>So while the media spent the days following the Nobel Prize announcement decrying an article we were missing, editors from around the world, who share no common language and have likely never interacted with each other, <em>got busy</em>; and they created resources for public access to free knowledge across multiple platforms, in dozens of languages, each of which will last—for all intents and purposes—<em>forever</em>.
  1906. </p><p>We are working hard, and we are good at what we do. If we weren't, they wouldn't be writing about us; they'd be talking about our competitor, except we have no competitor. There is no one who tries so hard to give away free knowledge, and manages to give it away well enough that they're even in same ballpark as us, barely in the same game. For people who can't afford books, don't live near a library, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero" title="Wikipedia Zero">barely have internet access</a>, or have grown up with free knowledge being the standard, <em>we are that standard</em>.
  1907. </p><p>If you're concerned about the gender gap in Wikipedia, you're right to be concerned, but as <i>Fortune</i> put it in the one thing they got unequivocally right, "anyone can write an entry in the gigantic online encyclopedia ... What are you waiting for, get busy."
  1908. </p><p>If you've ever wanted to be a part of something unprecedented, we're doing it right now. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Drafts" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Drafts">Let's get to work.</a>
  1909. </p>
  1910. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Riled_up:_seeking_changes_to_the_academic_notability_guideline_to_help_prevent_a_repeat_incident">Riled up: seeking changes to the academic notability guideline to help prevent a repeat incident</span></h3>
  1911. <div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">By <a href="/wiki/User:Markus_P%C3%B6ssel" title="User:Markus Pössel">Markus Pössel</a></div>
  1912. <p>The Donna Strickland case has a number of Wikipedians riled up, myself included. First, it would have been much better if we had an article on Strickland <em>before</em> she won the Nobel prize for physics, not after. It should give us pause that an article draft submission stating Strickland's basic biography was declined as late as May 2018 as non-notable. While some male Nobel laureates have lacked an article about them until after their prize announcement, and <a href="/wiki/User:Markus_P%C3%B6ssel/Nobel_Laureates_and_Wikipedia_Pages" title="User:Markus Pössel/Nobel Laureates and Wikipedia Pages">the statistics for the past decade</a> bears this out (neither gender fares better), there <em>is</em> a significant difference: if you look at the early versions of the male Nobel laureate biographies whose articles existed long before receiving the Nobel, a number of them were in worse shape than the Strickland draft that was declined in May.
  1913. </p><p>Second, the wider issues are certainly worth discussing. Two perspectives on it can be found above and below: one from <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo">GreenMeansGo</a> acknowledging the gender gap and, rightly, pointing out that anybody can contribute to fix it; and another, a <a href="/wiki/Polemic" title="Polemic">polemic</a> defense of the status quo by <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman">Chris Troutman</a>. For my part, however, I want to focus on one specific issue that is more general than the Wikipedia gender gap. Namely, I think a lesson can be drawn from the Strickland case, and it has to do with how we assess the notability of academics.
  1914. </p><p>The May 2018 Strickland draft submission was declined not because Strickland's career at that point didn't indicate she was notable, but because that notability was not attested in independent sources. Strickland <em>was</em> notable: she had been president of The Optical Society, a major scientific society with more than 20,000 professional members; and had also been a fellow of that society—a selective fellowship that singles out individuals "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.osa.org/en-us/awards_and_grants/fellow_members/">who have served with distinction in the advancement of optics and photonics</a>". But there had apparently been no, or at least no easily accessible, media coverage of those two facts. If that was indeed so, it would be unsurprising—both facts are not usually considered to be of interest to a more general readership. That is why Bradv declined the draft submission, using a template that describes the submission as not showing "<em>significant</em> coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in <em>published</em>, <em><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources">reliable</a></em>, <em><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Secondary" title="Wikipedia:No original research">secondary</a></em> sources that are <em><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_independent_sources" title="Wikipedia:Identifying and using independent sources">independent</a></em> of the subject".
  1915. </p><p>If we change one aspect of the guidelines for assessing the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)" title="Wikipedia:Notability (academics)">notability of academics</a> such that it could have helped in this particular case, we can—much more importantly—facilitate future such assessments without compromising our standards.
  1916. </p><p>The editor who rejected the draft, <a href="/wiki/User:Bradv" title="User:Bradv">Bradv</a>, has written a thoughtful essay about this that is worth reading; it is also featured as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Opinion" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Opinion">this issue's opinion piece</a>. As Bradv notes therein, the discussion of his decision that followed the Nobel prize announcement included some editors (along with Bradv) who argued that, on general principles such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#Notability_requires_verifiable_evidence" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability requiring verifiable evidence</a> and the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#Why_we_have_these_requirements" title="Wikipedia:Notability">reliability rationale behind requiring independent sources</a>, declining the draft was the correct decision. Others have argued that the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research" title="Wikipedia:No original research">no original research</a> policy, in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary" title="Wikipedia:No original research">its section on primary sources</a>, permits the use of reputably published primary sources so long as they do not require interpretation or analysis (which would amount to original research).
  1917. </p><p>When it comes to assessing academic notability (according to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)#Specific_criteria_notes" title="Wikipedia:Notability (academics)">specific criteria defined for that purpose</a>), there is a number of similar situations where highly reliable primary sources could be used. If an academic won a major prize, we will find reliable information about that on the website of the prize-awarding institution. They know best who won their prize and they have no incentive to provide false information; likewise for an academic holding a named chair in a department. If anything, the official staff listing for the department website is as reliable as it gets for that particular bit of information! Other similar cases include who was given a specific fellowship and who is editor of a specific academic journal—the sort of bare facts that are already routinely cited in articles. Nonetheless, a number of editors will hesitate to use that information when deciding whether to decline an article draft or when evaluating notability during a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">deletion discussion</a>, since it is not from an independent secondary source.
  1918. </p><p>What I propose—or, rather, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(academics)#Proposal_for_addition_to_specific_WP:PROF_notability_criteria" title="Wikipedia talk:Notability (academics)"><em>have</em> proposed</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/865097939#Proposal_for_addition_to_specific_WP:PROF_notability_criteria" title="Special:PermanentLink/865097939">permanent link</a>)—is that we insert into the guidelines for the notability of academics explicit language stating that it is <em>sufficient</em> for those specific sources to be used when deciding on whether or not a person fulfills the notability criteria in question. In other words: having been given a prize, having a distinguished chair, being an editor at a major journal, holding an office at a major scientific society, and having been given a prestigious fellowship should all count toward notability, even if sourced to a non-independent reliable primary source.
  1919. </p><p>I emphatically do <em>not</em> propose that we should accept the word of these primary sources on anything beyond the simple yes-or-no information about a named chair, fellowship, and so on. For instance, of course we should not accept an organization's own word on whether one of its prizes is "prestigious" (which is necessary for the prize to lead to academic notability); however, we <em>should</em> be able to take their word for it when it comes to whether or not their prize has been awarded to a specific person. What is the alternative conclusion? That the university or organization is falsely reporting who their own chairs, fellows, and editors are? To what end?
  1920. </p><p>Some commentators have argued that this addition to the guidelines is redundant—that this is already implied in the current language. I think that the editors mentioned in Bradv's essay, who argued that secondary sources are necessary in this specific case, shows clearly that it is not. Will the addition weaken our criteria for notability? I do not see how it might. The specific criteria (prestigious fellowship, named chair, etc.) touched by this will still be exactly the same; we merely will be allowing additional (reliable!) sources for documenting and fulfilling those criteria. But is this just <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CREEP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CREEP">instruction creep</a>—would this amount to specifying something everyone should already know? I think not. Reviewing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for Creation</a> is a thankless task as is; for someone not familiar with what is and isn't reliable in the academic world, the proposed additions will make the job easier.
  1921. </p><p>While inspired by the Strickland case, where the proposed criteria would have made it easier to come to a conclusion that would, not least with hindsight, have been the right thing to do, the proposal will probably affect numerous future cases of academic biographies—biographies that might otherwise be kept out of Wikipedia, not because their subjects would not have been notable academics by our criteria but because it would have been hard to show that they were, according to a not uncommon interpretation of our present standards. I think it will be a good outcome of the Strickland discussion if we can ensure, in this way, that more academics who deserve to be included, are included.
  1922. </p><p>So please, head over to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(academics)#Proposal_for_addition_to_specific_WP:PROF_notability_criteria" title="Wikipedia talk:Notability (academics)">the proposal</a> and tell us what you think! Echoing <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo">GreenMeansGo</a>, we are working hard and we are good at what we do. At our best, that includes a realization of where we can do better. I think this is such a case. Let us please find a consensus on this.
  1923. </p>
  1924. <h3><span id="Donna_Strickland_wasn.27t_allowed_her_article_and_Wikipedians_are_to_blame.21"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Donna_Strickland_wasn't_allowed_her_article_and_Wikipedians_are_to_blame!">Donna Strickland wasn't allowed her article and Wikipedians are to blame!</span></h3>
  1925. <div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">By <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman">Chris Troutman</a></div>
  1926. <p>Regarding the much-discussed "missing" Wikipedia biography of physicist Donna Strickland, as has been pointed out elsewhere, the journalists who laid these charges know nothing about Wikipedia (they keep insisting we have moderators) and are not, in fact, interested in Wikipedia so much as they seek to push a narrative about <a href="/wiki/Patriarchy" title="Patriarchy">patriarchy</a> for their naïve readership.
  1927. </p><p>Please allow me to correct this mistaken viewpoint evidenced by imprecise newspaper and magazine language. No one "has an article on Wikipedia." Rather, Wikipedia has articles about people (and other subjects). A <i><a href="/wiki/Washington_Post" class="mw-redirect" title="Washington Post">Washington Post</a></i> piece <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/08/why-nobel-winner-donna-strickland-didnt-have-wikipedia-page">laments</a> that "Donna Strickland didn't have a Wikipedia page." <i><a href="/wiki/The_Independent" title="The Independent">The Independent</a></i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nobel-prize-winner-physics-2018-donna-strickland-wikipedia-entry-deleted-sexism-equality-a8572006.html">talks</a> about "a Wikipedia page for Strickland." <i><a href="/wiki/The_Guardian" title="The Guardian">The Guardian</a></i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/oct/03/donna-strickland-nobel-physics-prize-wikipedia-denied">implies</a> Strickland deserved "her own page" while <i><a href="/wiki/The_Observer" title="The Observer">The Observer</a></i> rhetorically <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://observer.com/2018/10/wikipedia-nobel-prize-physics-donna-strickland/">asks</a> "What does a female scientist have to do to get her own Wikipedia page?". <i><a href="/wiki/The_Atlantic" title="The Atlantic">The Atlantic</a></i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/10/nobel-prize-physics-donna-strickland-gerard-mourou-arthur-ashkin/571909/">claimed</a> that "unlike her fellow winners, Strickland did not have a Wikipedia page." <i><a href="/wiki/The_Times_of_India" title="The Times of India">The Times of India</a></i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-times/adding-the-w-in-wikipedia/articleshow/66101777.cms">exclaimed</a> that "Strickland didn't have her own page until after her win." Even the Wikimedia Foundation's Twitter account <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/Wikimedia/status/1047886313893056512">identified</a> Strickland as a Nobel "laureate who didn't have a @wikipedia article" before her Nobel Prize. And <a href="/wiki/User:Ed_Erhart_(WMF)" title="User:Ed Erhart (WMF)">Ed Erhart</a>—who should know better—spoke for the WMF, <a href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/2018/10/04/donna-strickland-wikipedia/" class="extiw" title="foundationsite:2018/10/04/donna-strickland-wikipedia/">saying</a> that "[d]espite Strickland's positions and groundbreaking research, she did not have an article about her on the English Wikipedia."
  1928. </p><p>The so-called journalism about this topic often makes this linguistic error, probably because they remain ignorant of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OWN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OWN">ownership</a>. I insist here because correct language leads to correct thought: how Wikipedia decides to write (or not write) an article about <a href="/wiki/Associate_professor" title="Associate professor">associate professor</a> Donna Strickland is a different discussion than why Strickland doesn't get to have an article on Wikipedia. The former premise correctly talks about our institutional inclusion decisions. The latter premise falsely assumes that a woman scientist deserves something that Wikipedia chooses to withhold. Had these so-called news outlets asked the question about why Wikipedia did not prioritize writing about scientists like Strickland, the answer may have been revealed that Wikipedia is not a leading indicator but rather a trailing indicator of notability.
  1929. </p><p>Regardless, some Wikipedians (as well as a few folks at the WMF) fell for that propaganda and are now embarrassed. They express regret that Wikipedia got caught without an article about Strickland prior to the announcement from the Nobel Committee, as if a mistake was made or an injustice was committed. <a href="/wiki/User:Bradv" title="User:Bradv">Bradv</a> declined a draft about Strickland months ago at Articles for Creation, and rightly so, but some point to Strickland's fellowship in The Optical Society as proof of the subject is an "elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association" as specified in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NACADEMIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NACADEMIC">our notability guidelines for academics</a>; our article about The Optical Society doesn't make clear the group's "highly selective and prestigious" status in the way articles about any of the <a href="/wiki/National_Academies_of_Sciences,_Engineering,_and_Medicine" title="National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine">National Academies</a> might have.
  1930. </p><p>The WMF's Ed Erhart opines that had an expert Wikipedia editor like <a href="/wiki/User:Quantumavik" title="User:Quantumavik">Quantumavik</a>, a post-doctoral researcher in quantum physics, looked at that draft instead of rank dilettante Bradv, the subjective importance of the society (and by extension, Strickland) would have been recognized. The aforementioned journalists, as well as Wikipedia founder <a href="/wiki/Jimmy_Wales" title="Jimmy Wales">Jimmy Wales</a> himself, publicly threw Bradv under the bus rather than defend Bradv's application of notability criteria. He became the scapegoat for Wikipedia's alleged misogynist sins. Honest Wikipedians will admit that Strickland failed the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:General_notability_guidelines" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:General notability guidelines">general notability guidelines</a> and "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANYBIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANYBIO">any biography</a>" criteria, and did not clearly satisfy academic notability criteria prior to her Nobel win—and yet, some editors think that what <em>must</em> have been Wikipedia's cruel, premeditated snub of Donna Strickland evinces a problem needing solving.
  1931. </p><p>Spurred by this perceived loss of <a href="/wiki/Face_(sociological_concept)" title="Face (sociological concept)">face</a>, some foolishly call for unneeded <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Inclusionism" class="extiw" title="meta:Inclusionism">inclusionism</a>, perhaps forgetting that we cannot write a decent article without good sources. I doubt we can provide any subject—but especially <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons" title="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons">biographies of living persons</a>—a fair assessment, or the reader a respectable product, if we allow subpar sourcing in pursuit of a silly social justice mandate. Subjects and readers deserve better than a subjective article with slipshod sourcing all to meet a quota. Wikipedia's detractors value quantity over quality, prioritizing their preferred narrative as opposed to responsible authorship. The WMF has stupidly played into this practice, by making the easily quantifiable number of articles in Wikipedia the unit of analysis while forgetting the qualitative results of well-performed article-writing. As an <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Immediatism" class="extiw" title="meta:Immediatism">immediatist</a>, thousands of poorly written <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub" title="Wikipedia:Stub">Stub</a>- and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:STARTCLASS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:STARTCLASS">Start-class</a> articles have no value for me, unless all you want is a fig-leaf stub article to hide behind lest some media outlet accuse us.
  1932. </p><p>Rather than push back against thoughtless newspapers and educate the public with this opportunity, the WMF unwisely called upon readers to "do something about it", as if <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Activist" title="Wikipedia:Activist">activist</a> editors would help the situation. The WMF, like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red">WikiProject Women in Red</a>, embraces this <a href="/wiki/Tribalist" class="mw-redirect" title="Tribalist">tribalist</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RIGHTGREATWRONGS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RIGHTGREATWRONGS">right-great-wrongs</a> mentality by pursuing ill-thought <a href="/wiki/Slacktivism" title="Slacktivism">slacktivism</a>. While perhaps some of the articles created through populist efforts might meet our notability guidelines, to encourage more bias to counter a perception of systemic bias is reprehensible. Any article we write about a living person has to be based upon multiple, independent, reliable sources. To do otherwise would risk writing either <a href="/wiki/Hagiography" title="Hagiography">hagiography</a> or <a href="/wiki/Libel" class="mw-redirect" title="Libel">libel</a>.
  1933. </p><p>Those of us who are serious about our contributions should resist the shrill voices of ignorant commentators looking for clickbait. An article on Wikipedia is not the final determiner of fact: we do not hand out recognition as if we, alone, decide which subjects are worth attention. I not only caution against leaving the <a href="/wiki/Status_quo" title="Status quo">status quo</a>, but also understand that Wikipedians—Bradv first among them—are owed an apology.
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  1943. </li><li><span style="color:#444;"><b>Op-ed</b></span>
  1944. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/News_and_notes" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/News and notes">News and notes</a>
  1945. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In the media">In the media</a>
  1946. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Discussion_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Discussion report">Discussion report</a>
  1947. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Traffic_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Traffic report">Traffic report</a>
  1948. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Technology_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Technology report">Technology report</a>
  1949. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Special_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Special report">Special report</a>
  1950. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Special_report_2" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Special report 2">Special report 2</a>
  1951. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In focus">In focus</a>
  1952. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Gallery" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Gallery">Gallery</a>
  1953. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Recent research">Recent research</a>
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  1955. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Opinion" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Opinion">Opinion</a>
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  1962. <p>"from which we can only conclude that they simply don't know what an edit war is"
  1963. </p><p>Or, perhaps, the author doesn't know what sarcasm is. <a href="/wiki/User:Maury_Markowitz" title="User:Maury Markowitz">Maury Markowitz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maury_Markowitz" title="User talk:Maury Markowitz">talk</a>) 19:20, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
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  1965. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo">User:GreenMeansGo</a> makes a great point with the alternative timeline.  Regardless of your thoughts before the prize being awarded, Wikimedians did what they do and reacted superbly quickly.  That is indeed something to be proud of. ~  <span style="color:#DF00A0">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> <i>(<a href="/wiki/User:Amorymeltzer" title="User:Amorymeltzer">u</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amorymeltzer" title="User talk:Amorymeltzer">t</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer" title="Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer">c</a>)</i></small> 19:22, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</li>
  1966. <li><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r852319148">.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">"No one 'has an article on Wikipedia.'"</q> Yes they do; in the same way that "Winston Churchill has a statue in Parliament Square", "Queen Victoria has a portrait in Buckingham Palace" and "Douglass Adams has a biography available in all good libraries". <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> 20:22, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</li>
  1967. <li>I agree that no blame can be attached to Bradv for declining the Afc - the backlog is a long one, we're all volunteers, and time is limited. However, Chris's claim that it was the right decision is going too far. Her fellowship at the optical society is a prestigious academic position of the sort making academic notability automatically met. The article, which was short and uncontroversial, should have been moved to main space. Bradv acknowledges as much in his opinion piece, that with hindsight he wishes he'd spent a bit more time checking the details out. We should concentrate on any measures we can take to give us a better shot at getting this right in the future. &#160;&#8212;&#160;<a href="/wiki/User:Amakuru" title="User:Amakuru">Amakuru</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amakuru" title="User talk:Amakuru">talk</a>) 21:03, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</li>
  1968. <li>The line "why didn't Wikipedia have an article about Whatever" does show that there is a complete misunderstanding about how articles are created on Wikipedia. I think there is a presumption on an editorial board who weigh up the merits of all the topics in the universe and put out a list saying "OK, these topics are worthy" and then articles are assigned to people to write them. (And of course some encyclopedia-like publications do work that way, so it's not unreasonable). I note, from doing outreach, there is a common public misconception that donations to Wikipedia go to paying for the bulk of the content to be written and, that while most people know "anyone can contribute", they seem to perceive the contributions of volunteers as additional to work of these paid writers. Of course, anyone reading this probably realises that you need 3 things for a Wikipedia article to exist, a notable topic and an editor that feels like starting it and an editor that possessed the ability to demonstrate notability. Strickland had the first two, but not alas the 3rd. <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond">talk</a>) 21:08, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</li>
  1969. <li>While some might say that the Strickland incident was a failure by AfC, I would say both No and Yes. No, because I think anyone who does AfC reviewing (and if you haven't, you should not comment!) will know it is very soul-destroying, and clicking "Decline - notability not established" becomes the almost-automatic response. Yes, because there is a structural failure with AfC which could be fixed. At the moment, AfC reviewers are working in a "pool of all articles" sorted by time waiting for a review. Unless you are familiar with a topic space, you may be unfamiliar with the special notability rules in that topic space, you may lack the ability to distinguish the reliable sources, and you may simply not recognise an "obviously notable" topic (Americans are unlikely to recognise significant cricket players, Australians are unlikely to recognise leading political figures in Sierra Leone, etc). We really need to look at creating a series of sub-pools within AfC around topic areas, so reviewers can focus on the topic spaces they are more expert in. I think that would improve AfC reviewing for both the reviewers and the submitters. Much of the AfC work relates to Biographies (often probably Autobiographies) of Living People so having that pool broken down into the various sports and professions that seem to be massively over-represented would be a good start. <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond">talk</a>) 21:08, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  1970. <dl><dd><dl><dd>I think an underappreciated aspect is that by and large the incentive is for AfC reviewers to decline. It seems far more likely that an AfC reviewer will catch flak for accepting an article than the reverse. Therefore the incentives make decline the "easier" option for reviewers. This is not a comment on Brad's actions specifically, just on the overall state of AfC. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) 21:13, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl>
  1971. <ul><li>I very much appreciate GreenMeansGo's piece. It is incredibly inspirational and motivating. The "alternative timeline" makes me feel quite proud, and I think the piece is a good overall takedown of the general coverage on the controversy. I also appreciate Chris Troutman's criticism of the "linguistic error." It may seem like nitpicking, but it is a use of language I pay attention to quite a lot as well, as language shapes thought. We write about subjects, we don't write for the subjects. Similarly, I agree that having a stub or poor start-class article is honestly little better than just having no article on a subject at all. In general, I very much enjoyed reading this article. It is a shame that this incident may have caused a lot of stress on quite a few people. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Maplestrip" title="User:Maplestrip"><span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maplestrip" title="User talk:Maplestrip"><span style="color:#700090">chat</span></a>) 21:27, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
  1972. <dl><dd>I'm glad you found it motivating <a href="/wiki/User:Maplestrip" title="User:Maplestrip">Maplestrip</a>. I compiled the timeline first and wrote the rest second. There was a lingering doubt about what I would find when I started tracking down the diffs, and I was very pleased that our worldwide community of volunteers wound up mostly getting me excited about their own motivation. I was somewhat later saddened by the fact that when the MacArthur Geniuses were announced this year, everyone had already beat me to the punch and I couldn't write any of the articles myself :P. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> 21:35, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
  1973. <dl><dd>Actually, Nobel Prize winners are taken care of within seconds after the announcements. The only one I ever managed to start myself when the peace prize was given to four human rights organizations in Tunisia, I got to write one of them and only because I speak French, and all sources were in French.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ymblanter" title="User talk:Ymblanter">talk</a>) 16:59, 30 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></li>
  1974. <li>I would like to comment on the original deletion of the article as a copyright violation. <b>This practice must cease.</b> If the subject is presumed notable, the article should be reduced to a stub with a single lead sentence, preserving, if possible the sources, categories, talk page and infobox. I've had a lot of copyvio-deleted articles re-created in this manner. In the early days I also retrospectively authorised dozens of articles that were copyvios of my own work.  <a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7"><span style="color:#9933ff">Hawkeye7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7" title="User talk:Hawkeye7"><span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span></a> 21:36, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
  1975. <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7">Hawkeye7</a>, I'm not convinced a tiny stub is better to have than no article. I know I'm drawn to redlinks; I don't know about others. Is a good article more likely to evolve starting from nothing, or from a stub? I suppose that's the kind of question that could be answered by research. <a href="/wiki/User:Ntsimp" title="User:Ntsimp">Ntsimp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ntsimp" title="User talk:Ntsimp">talk</a>) 01:51, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  1976. <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/RAF_Shepherds_Grove" title="RAF Shepherds Grove">An example</a>. Some thoughts:</dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul>
  1977. <ul><li><dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>Not every new article is linked to, so red links may not exist.</li>
  1978. <li>Many editors will not touch red links, the assumption being that the creator will return to them. (This is often the case with stubs too.)</li>
  1979. <li>Others annoy me by going around removing red links</li>
  1980. <li>A common assumption about deleted articles is that they should not be re-created.</li>
  1981. <li>The best thing that you can provide a future article builder with is sources. In the case of Donna Strickland, the Optical Society bio would have provided the bedrock of a complete article. It was the main source used for both the draft and the current rewrites in any case</li>
  1982. <li>The presence of a link on a Wikipedia page assures that it will get archived. If an article is deleted, its sources may become lost as well.</li>
  1983. <li>Had the article in question not been deleted, it would never have had to go through the AfC process</li></ul></dd></dl></dd>
  1984. <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7"><span style="color:#9933ff">Hawkeye7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7" title="User talk:Hawkeye7"><span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span></a> 04:27, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></li>
  1985. <li>All the newspapers and websites criticizing Wikipedia for not having an article about Strickland have no idea how <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_notability" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia notability">Wikipedia notability</a> works (and apparently made no effort to find out). If any of those newspapers and websites had done a good article about this physicist, we would have had a good source about her and evidence of her notability. Wikipedia is a "trailing indicator" indeed. We are doing good work, but we don't do original reporting. That's the media's job. They didn't do it. <span style="background-color:#EEF6FD"><span class="nowrap">&#160;<a href="/wiki/User:SchreiberBike" title="User:SchreiberBike">SchreiberBike </a>&#124;<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchreiberBike#top" title="User talk:SchreiberBike"> ⌨&#160;</a></span></span> 22:19, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  1986. <dl><dd><dl><dd>I've been here from the start and I don't understand the rules any more, and you're complaining that the rest of the world doesn't? One cannot imagine a better illustration of the problems the Wiki is having. 13:06, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  1987. <dl><dd>I understand where you are coming from. There was a time where people who have made a significant contribution in their field and with a source to back it up are notable. The <a href="/wiki/Chirped_pulse_amplification" title="Chirped pulse amplification">Chirped pulse amplification</a> was deemed to be notable and I see no reason why the inventors cannot be notable, the issue of AFD then is not necessary. I like the response of the foundation, because if you edit enough you realise, internally, wikipedia editors give an image that they have created a great system but it is an imperfect system and acknowledging the imperfections and moving when you cannot do anything about it is fine. A key imperfection is we do not have enough expert content writers and most of us are not experts, but we all do our best and we move on.<a href="/wiki/User:Alexplaugh12" title="User:Alexplaugh12">Alexplaugh12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexplaugh12" title="User talk:Alexplaugh12">talk</a>) 00:28, 3 November 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
  1988. <ul><li>This was a great addition to this month's <i>The Signpost</i>. The three perspectives are all valuable in their own right, and are much better than anything the professional media wrote about the lack of a Wikipedia page for Strickland. GMG's alternative timeline is something seriously worth repeating offsite by WMF or by an independent journalistic outlet, and is something truly remarkable (I see a future <a href="/wiki/TED_(conference)" title="TED (conference)">TED Talk</a> in the works). While I don't necessarily agree with Chris Troutman's choice of polemics, I think he makes the valuable point that this got so much coverage due to two main factors: (1) Public ignorance over the internal functions of Wikipedia, and (2) The popularity of the narrative that women are discriminated against in society. I don't mean to debate the realities of the gender gap (there is one, and its significant) or reject the notion that women face bias here and elsewhere (they absolutely do). But its quite obvious that it's "trendy" to discuss misogyny right now in the Western media, especially on Wikipedia. Not only does this unnecessarily drag our website through the mud, it creates a single-minded focus on fixing only one problem (which <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-04-26/Community_view" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-04-26/Community view">I worried about in an op-ed</a> several months ago) and potentially creating a few others. Hopefully some more-informed journalists will in due time give us the in-depth, comprehensive coverage we deserve. On a parting note, I wish someone here had conceded that Maher <i>did</i> emphasize that Wikipedia's biases are reflection of what it takes in, and that affirmative action is not the solution here.-<a href="/wiki/User:Indy_beetle" title="User:Indy beetle">Indy beetle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Indy_beetle" title="User talk:Indy beetle">talk</a>) 00:53, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</li>
  1989. <li>I agree with a lot of what <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman">User:Chris troutman</a> wrote, but if they're going to give a lot of attention to the precision of wording, they should be taken to task for their own failings in this regard. Two places where it's especially egregious amidst all the bile is 1) where they say that Women in Red encourages slacktivism, as if the whole point of the project wasn't to actually edit and create articles, and they have results to show for it as well. And 2) that to create articles about women on Wikipedia is to introduce bias. Countering systemic bias doesn't mean introducing bias. That's not what bias means, and we should stop extending the meaning of bias to suit the narrative of the op-ed. <a href="/wiki/User:Opencooper" title="User:Opencooper">Opencooper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Opencooper" title="User talk:Opencooper">talk</a>) 01:13, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  1990. <dl><dd><ul><li>I'm quite sure Chris chose the word "slacktivism" deliberately because we discussed this prior to publication. I'll let him speak for himself further on this subject. ☆ <a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">Bri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bri" title="User talk:Bri">talk</a>) 01:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul></dd></dl>
  1991. <ul><li>I've reviewed tens of thousands of new articles and AfCs, and I've looked at even more reviewed by others.  I've made errors, and so has everyone else who has done any substantial amount. Thinking back over my past work, I've made about 2% errors in these processes. I could do better if I were better at recognizing when I was too tired to continue, but I doubt that I or anyone else would ever do much better than 1%.  I'm not suggesting these are exact numbers, and I mean clear errors, not ones where I and the eventual consensus disagreed--the community is often erratic. Ideally each AfC decline should be checked by someone else, but in practice this only happens when it gets resubmitted. Since there are too few AfC reviewers for the workload, this is not now practical. It is exceedingly unfortunate when an error is this conspicuous, but it could happen to any of us. <b><a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG"> DGG</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DGG" title="User talk:DGG"> talk </a>) 03:31, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  1992. <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG">DGG</a>:</span> I think your estimate of the best reviewers having an error rate of 1-2% is correct. Based on your experience how would you say those errors are distributed? Is the error rate more likely to be in declining notable submissions or accepting ones that aren't? Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) 03:41, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  1993. <dl><dd><dl><dd>At AfC, I think it's at least 3/4 erroneous declines.  The usual cause is reviewing too fast or when tired, and the very large number of totally unacceptable submissions at AfC creates considerable skepticism. To see that something is not hopeless requires thinking. For my more extended comment about this, see <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Donna_Strickland#from_an_experienced_reviewer...">[1]</a>  I note that the reviewer of this particular article does not think they made an error in declining it, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bradv/Strickland_incident">[2]</a>, but I consider them <s>unambiguously </s>wrong in their interpretation of our guidelines. The guideline for accepting drafts is that as an article it would probably pass AfD, and this would, because the referencing inadequacies were easily fixable. The reviewer thought they had to be fixed first. (There's also disagreement over whether they were adequate even as they were in the declined version, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Donna_Strickland&amp;oldid=842614385">[3]</a>)  <b><a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG"> DGG</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DGG" title="User talk:DGG"> talk </a>) 04:22, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  1994. <dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG">DGG</a>:</span> I am obviously familiar with the Stickland incident - we are leaving comments to an article all about that after all. What I find interesting is that if your 75% estimate of errors in declining is true, my guess is that AfC reviewers receive 75% (or more) complaints about articles they've accepted rather than rejected. This feels like a structural problem that only reinforces what mistakes there are. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) 04:28, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  1995. <dl><dd>Erroneous declines probably vary by subject area. For academics it is probably like 80% or more since many reviewers have a disdain/disregard for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPROF">WP:NPROF</a>/the actual standards at AfD for academics, while for corporations it is probably much lower since the standards are actually (and should be) high on sourcing. I agree on there being a structural problem; because NPP and many people review accepts, erroneous or quick accepts get flak while quickly declining hundreds of drafts with many incorrect ones can easily be missed/ignored, because most of the declines are correct because of the sheer number of unacceptable drafts, and any complaints from the AfC submitters are swept away into obscure user talk pages (and how many people are going to still be active to complain two months later when the decline is done?). <a href="/wiki/User:Galobtter" title="User:Galobtter">Galobtter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Galobtter" title="User talk:Galobtter">pingó mió</a>) 06:27, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd>
  1996. <dd>I can only talk about mine: most objections I see on my own talk p. are about articles I declined. Most of them are by coi editors; a few convince me I may have been wrong. Almost nothing I accept has ever been challenged successfully at afd.   <b><a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG"> DGG</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DGG" title="User talk:DGG"> talk </a>) 05:17, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
  1997. <ul><li>All the healthy discussions here about the Strickland case just proves how vital <i>The Signpost</i> is, and why it needs to be kept. Frankly, no <i>Signpost</i>, means no central place where such vital issues can be discussed. <a href="/wiki/User:Werldwayd" title="User:Werldwayd">werldwayd</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Werldwayd" title="User talk:Werldwayd">talk</a>) 12:44, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</li>
  1998. <li>Re Troutman's "Honest Wikipedians will admit that Strickland ... did not clearly satisfy academic notability criterio prior to her Nobel win": I will admit no such thing. Strickland's stellar citation record (two papers with over 1000 citations in Google scholar and half a dozen more with over 100, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF#C1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">WP:PROF#C1</a>) is largely unchanged by the new prize, and the declined draft clearly stated her fellowship and presidency of a major society (#C3 and #C8 respectively). So she easily passes three criteria when only one is enough. I find the implicit assumption of bad faith by Troutman offensive. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) 16:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  1999. <dl><dd><ul><li>+1. What the honest Wikipedian should admit is that, whether one likes NPROF/the way it is interpreted at AfD, the article 100% would have survived AfD. <a href="/wiki/User:Galobtter" title="User:Galobtter">Galobtter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Galobtter" title="User talk:Galobtter">pingó mió</a>) 16:44, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  2000. <dl><dd>nonsense. PROF says nothing about <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r852319148"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">"two papers with over 1000 citations in Google scholar and half a dozen more with over 100"</q> because it's very subjective. PROF says nothing about h-index, numbers of citations, etc. Bradv made a call and I agree. I'd've !voted to delete that article, too. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_troutman" title="User talk:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">talk</span></a>)</span> 17:24, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  2001. <dl><dd>I mentioned three criteria. You are arguing against only one of them. Even that argument would fail, badly, at any actual academic AfD. And your personal ignorance and repudiation of our academic notability standards does not justify your claims that people disagreeing with you must be dishonest. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) 17:58, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  2002. <dl><dd>I also would have !voted to "keep" per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF#C1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">WP:PROF#C1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF#C3" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">#C3</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF#C6" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">#C6</a>. Had the draft come to my attention back in May, I would have promoted it to main space, with some cleanup work. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR&#39;easter">XOR&#39;easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" title="User talk:XOR&#39;easter">talk</a>) 21:20, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  2003. <dl><dd>It is nonsense to claim that <i>Strickland ... did not clearly satisfy academic notability criteria prior to her Nobel win</i>. Take a look at her citation profile on <a href="/wiki/Google_scholar" class="mw-redirect" title="Google scholar">Google scholar</a> which can be viewed by anybody with an Internet link  <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Cv9djkcAAAAJ&amp;hl=en&amp;oi=ao">[4]</a>. It shows that over 8000 other scientific papers had cited her work before she was awarded a Nobel Prize. There were 8000 sources: no more were needed to give notability under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Prof#C1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Prof">WP:Prof#C1</a>. The mistaken decline of the AfC came from the failure to follow the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SNG">WP:SNG</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Prof" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Prof">WP:Prof</a> guideline. However, there is no gender bias here. I see many BLPs of male (and female) academics taken to AfD at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Academics_and_educators" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Academics and educators">Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Academics and educators</a> on similarly spurious grounds. Such things happen frequently, and the AfD nominators usually get away with a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Trout" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Trout">WP:Trout</a>. The reviewer in the Strickland case had the misfortune to be caught in the headlights. <a href="/wiki/User:Xxanthippe" title="User:Xxanthippe">Xxanthippe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xxanthippe" title="User talk:Xxanthippe">talk</a>) 00:13, 30 October 2018 (UTC).
  2004. <dl><dd>Surely Troutman meant that the Strickland <i>article</i> did not meet the notability criteria! --<a href="/wiki/User:John_Maynard_Friedman" title="User:John Maynard Friedman">John Maynard Friedman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Maynard_Friedman" title="User talk:John Maynard Friedman">talk</a>) 12:53, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
  2005. <dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:John_Maynard_Friedman" title="User:John Maynard Friedman">John Maynard Friedman</a>:</span> Please read the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">relevant criterion</a> more carefully. It is entirely about the achievements of the person the article is about, and not about the state of the article. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) 16:16, 31 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
  2006. <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r852319148"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales himself, publicly threw Bradv under the bus</q> Am I missing something obvious about where this is coming from? It looks like <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_231#Female_Nobel_prize_winner_deemed_not_important_enough_for_Wikipedia_entry">this</a> was the relevant thread on his talk page, but it doesn't look like he ever responded. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> 17:07, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  2007. <dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo">GreenMeansGo</a>:</span> I was writing in response to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://twitter.com/jimmy_wales/status/1047239593152708608">this tweet</a>. I had wanted to include a screencap in this piece for context but I was told fair-use images can't be used in <i>The Signpost</i>. Not only did Jimbo tweet <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://qz.com/1410909/wikipedia-had-rejected-nobel-prize-winner-donna-strickland-because-she-wasnt-famous-enough/amp/">this misleading qz.com piece</a> he blamed Wikipedia (qz.com linked to the diff of Bradv's declination) rather than provide some nuance about our notability criteria. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_troutman" title="User talk:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">talk</span></a>)</span> 17:20, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  2008. <dl><dd>Ah. I suppose you could have used <a href="/wiki/Template:Tweet" title="Template:Tweet">Template:Tweet</a>, but it may be a bit too late for all that. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> 17:29, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></li>
  2009. <li>The uproar has been unfair to <a href="/wiki/User:Bradv" title="User:Bradv">Bradv</a>. Most reviewers would have followed standard notability guidelines and declined the article. AfC is inundated with articles about entertainers, businesses, and business people and we are in great need of reviewers. There are many fewer articles about professors. So we don't expect reviewers at AfC to understand the nuances of notability for academics. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">WP:PROF</a> outlines what we see as forming the reliable, independent, in depth written record of notability. This is quite different from that expected of topics that get covered in the press, and rules which cover regular notablitiy are applied differently. As a result most articles about notable professors get declined at least once, if not multiple times. Some of us come along later and look at the declined articles for academics, but we don't get to all of them. (My list of those to rescue has been neglected.) The solution is for more editors to become AfC reviewers and frequently look for drafts in their areas of knowledge and interest. This would reduce the load on those who are carrying most of the review burden. Some projects, such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics#Newly_created_articles" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics">Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics#Newly created articles</a> already display drafts in their areas of interest. The Donna Strickland draft was on <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AlexNewArtBot/PhysicsSearchResult&amp;oldid=833663116">that list</a> in March, and could have been seen by a knowledgable reviewer. <a href="/wiki/User:StarryGrandma" title="User:StarryGrandma">StarryGrandma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StarryGrandma" title="User talk:StarryGrandma">talk</a>) 22:29, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  2010. <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>to clarify, I agree with <a href="/wiki/User:StarryGrandma" title="User:StarryGrandma">StarryGrandma</a> that this has been unfair, and  I apologize for overly strong language myself. There is a range of way to do reviewing, and the way Bradv  does it is well within the accepted way, and his determinations are in general  similar to mine. <b><a href="/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG"> DGG</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DGG" title="User talk:DGG"> talk </a>) 05:24, 30 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
  2011. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo">User:GreenMeansGo</a>'s article is solid and impressive, and the timeline is so inspiring! Meanwhile, we know why the newspapers jumped on this. They had little on Strickland, and so turned to Wikipedia for information, and felt let down when we had nothing to give them. Journalists these days rely on Wikipedia quite heavily. But we are not writing for paid professionals who should already know this stuff to slack off by copying our research, we are writing for the general public. And by the time the general public wanted to know about Strickland, we had the article they needed. We didn't have the copy ready for the journalists to republish under their own name and take the money and grin, but we had it by the time the public wanted it, and that's what we are about. We did our job, unpaid, collaboratively, and we did it well. The journalists did not do a good job, moaned about us, and took home their pay. <a href="/wiki/User:SilkTork" title="User:SilkTork">SilkTork</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilkTork" title="User talk:SilkTork">talk</a>) 17:09, 30 October 2018 (UTC)</li>
  2012. <li><i>"The so-called journalism" ... "these so-called news sources".</i> You may as well have called them "fake news", <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman">Chris troutman</a>. This kind of wagon-circling rhetoric may be comforting but does nothing to help the community improve our editing or engage with journalists and readers. <a href="/wiki/User:Fences_and_windows" title="User:Fences and windows"><span style="background-color:white; color:red;">Fences</span></a><span style="background-color:white; color:#808080;">&amp;</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fences_and_windows" title="User talk:Fences and windows"><span style="background-color:white; color:black;">Windows</span></a> 00:05, 31 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  2013. <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Fences_and_windows" title="User:Fences and windows">Fences and windows</a>:</span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r852319148"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">"You may as well have called them "fake news"</q> but that's not what I did because that's not what I mean. I think Wikipedia and its many left-leaning editors deserve better than to be <a href="/wiki/Pillory" title="Pillory">pilloried</a> for imagined misogynist bias. My so-called <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r852319148"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">"wagon-circling rhetoric"</q> has brought condemnation from editors like you, so please remind everyone I am merely trying to defend this institution where we volunteer. I meant to deride partisans who act based upon political beliefs rather than stick to the facts. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_troutman" title="User talk:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">talk</span></a>)</span> 02:04, 31 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl>
  2014. <ul><li>Thanks to all who put in the work writing these. Things are always more complicated when you look at them closely. <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"><span style="color:#0000f1"><b>Doc James</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) 04:51, 31 October 2018 (UTC)</li>
  2015. <li>The only insightful journalism on this topic is here in <i>The Signpost</i> because this is the only place to get a comment from the subjects in the story. The negativity that traditional publications have against Wikipedia is getting tedious. The external media are so quick to blame Wikipedia for their own bias against women and other underrepresented groups, as if those publications expect Wikipedia to do the original journalism and research which is their work in addition to our usual activities of promoting their articles with summaries, citations, and a huge audience. Wikipedia's biggest fault is that it merely lessens rather than eliminates the bias which originates in other media. Other media outlets should quit framing their ethical problems as a reason to seek a competition with Wikipedia. They should be cooperative to us in the same way we show good faith to them. <a href="/wiki/User:Bluerasberry" title="User:Bluerasberry"><span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e"><b> Blue Rasberry </b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluerasberry" title="User talk:Bluerasberry"><span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span></a> 12:59, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
  2016. <ul><li>BR is correct. In my experience working in topics a bit beyond the more familiar, a major challenge is to simply find adequate information. Take, for example ancient Roman history, which was a very male-dominated environment (to say the least): beyond a few dozen individuals, our knowledge of women of the time -- no matter how prominent or important -- is often limited to little more than a name, if that. (Consider the example of <a href="/wiki/Ignota_Plautia" title="Ignota Plautia">Ignota Plautia</a>, whose existence is presumed by experts; we don't even know her name.) The best book on women of the Early Roman Empire is by M.T. Raepsaet-Charlier, <i>Prosopographie Des Femmes De L'ordre Sénatorial (Ier-IIe Siècles)</i> (1987), in French, which is rather difficult to use if one does not know the language. Or to paraphrase BR, when it comes to bias, if the material is not easily accessible (or not accessible at all), Wikipedians cannot eliminate it, only lessen it as far as the material allows us. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Llywrch" title="User:Llywrch">llywrch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Llywrch" title="User talk:Llywrch">talk</a>) 04:03, 4 November 2018 (UTC)</li></ul></li>
  2017. <li>Note: Sociologist <a href="/wiki/Salvatore_Babones" title="Salvatore Babones">Salvatore Babones</a> has <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-did-donna-strickland-not-have-wikipedia-page-34702">come out in our defense</a>. I wonder if anyone in the media will take notice. -<a href="/wiki/User:Indy_beetle" title="User:Indy beetle">Indy beetle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Indy_beetle" title="User talk:Indy beetle">talk</a>) 15:45, 31 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  2018. <dl><dd><dl><dd>Unfortunately he misunderstands the issue. Before her Nobel Prize, Strickland qualified for a pass of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Prof#C1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Prof">WP:Prof#C1</a> guideline with flying colors on the basis of her science citation record <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Cv9djkcAAAAJ&amp;hl=en&amp;oi=ao">[5]</a>. The omission of her article was not due to any systematic bias in Wikipedia, but because an editor did not follow the guidelines. <a href="/wiki/User:Xxanthippe" title="User:Xxanthippe">Xxanthippe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xxanthippe" title="User talk:Xxanthippe">talk</a>) 22:04, 31 October 2018 (UTC).
  2019. <dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Xxanthippe" title="User:Xxanthippe">Xxanthippe</a>:</span> It is you that misunderstands. PROF is a subjective criterion. It does not specify how many citations are enough to pass, just as it does not specify which academic societies are prestigious enough. Your belief that she passes PROF only exists in your imagination. Bradv was not wrong to come to a differing conclusion and you should apologize for your accusation. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chris_troutman" title="User:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_troutman" title="User talk:Chris troutman"><span style="color:#345">talk</span></a>)</span> 22:30, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
  2020. <dl><dd>Almost all of our criteria are subjective criteria. There is nothing special about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">WP:PROF</a> in this regard. (Or did you somehow think that the "in-depth" part of GNG was purely objective?) In all cases, what the criteria mean is how they are interpreted at AfDs and AFCs. And according to how these criteria have been interpreted in the vast majority of past academic AfDs, the declined draft was an easy pass of multiple criteria. Your hand-wringing about how we can't specify anything completely objectively so we can't use these criteria at all and must hold blameless the people who interpreted them badly comes off as casting around for excuses rather than a worthwhile argument. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) 22:47, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
  2021. <dl><dd>The interpretation of guidelines, as is everything on Wikipedia, is established by <i>consensus</i>. In the case of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Prof" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Prof">WP:Prof</a>, the consensus has been established by hundreds of AfDs and over a decade of debate on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Prof" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Prof">WP:Prof</a> talk page. By that consensus Strickland was a clear pass before her Prize. Before editors enter a new area they would do well to familiarise themselves with consensus that exists there. For any area in Wikipedia, the more prior knowledge that an editor has, the better will be the edits they are likely to make. <a href="/wiki/User:Xxanthippe" title="User:Xxanthippe">Xxanthippe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xxanthippe" title="User talk:Xxanthippe">talk</a>) 00:09, 1 November 2018 (UTC).</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd>
  2022. <dd>The point is he gets the main point - she was failing GNG because of the media's lack of coverage. The  technicalities of whether deletion was correct in the light of BEFORE/PROF and such are secondary. I could as well note that in theory, PROF cannot override GNG, through of course, yes, it often does. IMHO, the draft was poorly written, it was essentially declined because in the AfC process it was reviewed by someone with above-average requirements. It could've been accepted, and if it was submitted to namespace without AfC process it probably would'be never been considered for deletion. But bottom line it was a poor draft, because it was hard to find good sources for her, and she was not famous until she got the Prize. Wikipedia still is missing articles on many people with borderline+ level of fame, just like she was (until she became famous). The problem is not that we occasionally err on the side of caution, given the spam/vanity flood we are facing. The problem is that we lack volunteers to write more content. If we had people writing this, up to and including people interested in gender-gap related issues, there'd be no problem. The media coverage which implied the article was deleted because we are sexist was plain wrong, as SB points out, we are no more sexist then the world's coverage at large. Wikipedia is the reflection of the worlds' gender gap problem, not a source of it. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus</a>&#124;<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Piotrus" title="User talk:Piotrus"><span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span></a></sub> 06:49, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
  2023. <dl><dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r852319148"/><q class="inline-quote-talk"> I could as well note that in theory, PROF cannot override GNG, through of course, yes, it often does. </q> Incorrect. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">The Notability page itself</a> says that a topic "is presumed to merit an article [if it] meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline listed in the box on the right" &#8212; <i>the very first of which</i> is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">WP:PROF</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR&#39;easter">XOR&#39;easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" title="User talk:XOR&#39;easter">talk</a>) 14:26, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
  2024. <dl><dd>Yes, and I'd very much like to see where the consensus for that is, because <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)&amp;oldid=784191413#The_criteria_of_WP:NSPORT_here_are_too_inclusive">the most recent RfC</a> I'm seeing on the relationship between SNGs and GNG concluded <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r852319148"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">There is clear consensus that no subject-specific notability guideline, including Notability (sports) is a replacement for or supercedes the General Notability Guideline.</q> <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> 14:36, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
  2025. <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NSPORT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NSPORT">WP:NSPORT</a> is not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPROF">WP:NPROF</a>. The former says that it is a supplement to the GNG; the latter says that it is an alternative. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR&#39;easter">XOR&#39;easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" title="User talk:XOR&#39;easter">talk</a>) 19:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
  2026. <dl><dd>And the RfC seems to have reached a pretty clear consensus on SNGs generally. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> 19:07, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
  2027. <dl><dd>An RfC that spent almost all of its time talking about sports figures reached a consensus that has apparently had vanishingly little impact on <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability/Archive_62#Can_a_subject_specific_guideline_invalidate_the_General_Notability_Guideline?">later, lengthy debates on the same topic</a> (see also <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(academics)/Archive_9#Modification_of_the_last_paragraph_in_the_lead">here</a>). I don't think that's much of a consensus, particularly when the RfC was listed as being about whether the criteria of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NSPORT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NSPORT">WP:NSPORT</a> should be tightened or not. And, on general principle, I'm fine with different notability guidelines playing somewhat different roles. Sometimes, we're trying to make judgments about topics that get a lot of news coverage on a regular basis, and sometimes, we're not. So, sometimes the relevant question is, "How much coverage until it counts?" and sometimes it's "What, other than mainstream media reporting, indicates significance?". <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR&#39;easter">XOR&#39;easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" title="User talk:XOR&#39;easter">talk</a>) 19:21, 1 November 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd>
  2028. <dd>It is indeed <b>presumed</b> to merit an article, and then <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> is needed to prove that it actually <b>does</b> merit an article. The point of having specific criteria is just to make our life easier, since someone who meets <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">WP:PROF</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NFOOTY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NFOOTY">WP:NFOOTY</a> is <b>very likely</b> to meet the general notability criterion, and it is much easier to check these criteria than to perform a thorough literature search (and remember sources could be in other languages, offline, or behind the paywall, and often need an expert to understand what they are saying). If someone really insists on checking the article no <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROF">WP:PROF</a> would save it. In the case of Strickland (which I know because I am a physicist and in a related field) there must be some specialized review articles which say that the chirped pulse technique was first proposed by Strickland and Coumou and is a widely used method in ultrafast optics. Just to dig them out, one needs an expert in ultrafast optics.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ymblanter" title="User talk:Ymblanter">talk</a>) 17:08, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
  2029. <dl><dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r852319148"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">It is indeed <b>presumed</b> to merit an article, and then <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> is needed to prove that it actually does merit an article. </q> That does not reflect the practice of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Academics_and_educators/archive_2" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Academics and educators/archive 2">actual deletion discussions</a>. Nor is it indicated by the plain wording of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">WP:N</a>. <i>Presumption</i> refers to the fact that a "more in-depth discussion might conclude that the topic actually should not have a stand-alone article", but would instead be better treated as part of another article. <a href="/wiki/User:XOR%27easter" title="User:XOR&#39;easter">XOR&#39;easter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XOR%27easter" title="User talk:XOR&#39;easter">talk</a>) 18:55, 1 November 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
  2030. <ul><li>The article could have been improved with a discussion of the issues relating to academic notability.  There was also an opportunity to critique the incentive structure of Wikipedia by pointing out that reviewing articles is a way for editors to earn status from the Wikimedia community.  This "grind" combined with a poor understanding of academic notability results in summary rejections. <a href="/wiki/User:AugusteBlanqui" title="User:AugusteBlanqui">AugusteBlanqui</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AugusteBlanqui" title="User talk:AugusteBlanqui">talk</a>) 21:12, 1 November 2018 (UTC)</li>
  2031. <li>As several have already noted, the draft that was declined (and I don't fault Bradv too much, he was following accepted practice if not explicit guidelines) would have certainly survived AfD. It is distressing that that drafts must meet a far higher standard to be accepted than articles do to be kept. Until these standards can somehow be brought into agreement, and I have no idea how, AfC is functioning to exclude worthwhile content and to distract new editors from the far superior option of simply moving the draft to mainspace themselves (or even, heaven forbid, building a page in mainspace). This is the most significant of several interconnected issues—others include automatic G13 deletion, lack of collaborative tools, and allowing giving some editors a non-discussable veto over others—that make draftspace/AfC a net negative to the project at this time. (Of course, given <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACREQ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACREQ">ACREQ</a>, it's also essential to the project—what a mess!) <a href="/wiki/User:A2soup" title="User:A2soup">A2soup</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A2soup" title="User talk:A2soup">talk</a>) 22:07, 1 November 2018 (UTC)</li>
  2032. <li>Thanks to those who wrote these insightful perspectives, and the Signpost team for publishing them. I echo the comments that the accuracy of the facts and the thoughtfulness of the discussion here is of a far higher standard than that seen in external media. <a href="/wiki/User:The_wub" title="User:The wub">the wub</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_wub" title="User talk:The wub"><span style="color: #008000">"?!"</span></a> 19:03, 2 November 2018 (UTC)</li>
  2033. <li>This, collectively, is a fabulous defense of our work at Wikipedia. I think the takeaway is that it was easy to spin this into an eye-catching story about a solidly noncontroversial source of knowledge. I'm not going to vilify media companies for using this angle, because the motivation comes from a good place. The problem here is a lack of awareness about how we edit. A great alternative spin that journalists should consider is the idea that Strickland's article didn't pass the review process because women don't get their fair share of press or even peripheral website coverage that often passes for a notability reference. Is that a problem with Wikipedia, or our society as a whole? <a href="/wiki/User:Icebob99" title="User:Icebob99">Icebob99</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Icebob99" title="User talk:Icebob99">talk</a>) 20:09, 4 November 2018 (UTC)</li>
  2034. <li>Maybe we ought to ask these publications that want to vilify Wikipedia a simple question: Why weren't THEY writing about her prior to the Nobel win? If they had been, the article would have had enough sources and been accepted, and we'd never have had this conversation. <a href="/wiki/User:Seraphimblade" title="User:Seraphimblade">Seraphimblade</a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">Talk to me</a></sup></small> 02:47, 7 November 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
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  2117. </div>
  2118. </div>
  2119. </div>
  2120. <span class="signpost-author">By <a href="/wiki/User:Barbara_(WVS)" title="User:Barbara (WVS)">Barbara Page</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung</a></span></div></div>
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  2123. <h3><span id="Amazon_donates_.241.2C000.2C000_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Amazon_donates_$1,000,000_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation">Amazon donates $1,000,000 to the Wikimedia Foundation</span></h3>
  2124. </div>
  2125. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  2126. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:20_Dollars_art3.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Artistic photograph of multiple US$20 bills" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/20_Dollars_art3.jpg/300px-20_Dollars_art3.jpg" width="300" height="225" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/20_Dollars_art3.jpg/450px-20_Dollars_art3.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/20_Dollars_art3.jpg/600px-20_Dollars_art3.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2048" data-file-height="1536" /></a></div></div>
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  2129. <div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">See also: This issue's "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In focus">In focus</a>" by <a href="/wiki/User:Barbara_(WVS)" title="User:Barbara (WVS)">Barbara Page</a> on Alexa and attribution, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives/2018-10-01" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives/2018-10-01">last issue</a>'s "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-01/In_the_media#In_brief" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-01/In the media">In the media § In brief</a>".</div>
  2130. <p>The Wikimedia Foundation has acknowledged Amazon's recent donation of one million dollars. Describing the reliance of Alexa on the free content available on Wikipedia: "As recently as six months ago, Wikimedia expressed that they'd like to see more companies who were using Wikipedia to give back", Justin Bariso of <i><a href="/wiki/Inc._(magazine)" title="Inc. (magazine)">Inc.</a></i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.inc.com/justin-bariso/amazon-wikimedia-wikipedia-donation-1-million-emotional-intelligence.html">explains</a>.
  2131. </p><p>"Amazon's digital brain, <a href="/wiki/Amazon_Alexa" title="Amazon Alexa">Alexa</a>, uses Wikipedia as one of many sources to answer questions", <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.geekwire.com/2018/amazon-donates-1m-wikipedias-nonprofit-parent-organization/">says</a> Nat Levy on <a href="/wiki/GeekWire" title="GeekWire">GeekWire</a>. "Amazon has added the ability to donate to Wikipedia through voice commands. After saying the phrase, 'Alexa, donate to Wikipedia', the digital assistant walks through the steps and verifies how much the user would like to give."
  2132. </p>
  2133. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Brief_notes">Brief notes</span></h3>
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  2136. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Admin_mop.svg" class="image"><img alt="The official admin mop logo, depicting a mop overlaying the Wikipedia globe logo" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Admin_mop.svg/250px-Admin_mop.svg.png" width="250" height="252" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Admin_mop.svg/375px-Admin_mop.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Admin_mop.svg/500px-Admin_mop.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="141" data-file-height="142" /></a></div></div>
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  2139. <ul><li><b>New and returning administrators</b>: <i>The Signpost</i> welcomes two new administrators, and returning admins to the English Wikipedia in October.
  2140. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User:Justlettersandnumbers">Justlettersandnumbers</a> whose <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RfA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RfA">RfA</a> closed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Justlettersandnumbers" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Justlettersandnumbers">215/3/9</a>, joined Wikipedia in 2010 and&#160;– with over 33,000 edits to the mainspace alone&#160;– is a prolific content contributor, also serving as an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OTRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OTRS">OTRS</a> agent.</li>
  2141. <li><a href="/wiki/User:Sir_Sputnik" title="User:Sir Sputnik">Sir Sputnik</a>, whose RfA closed with a round number of supporting votes at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Sir_Sputnik" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Sir Sputnik">200/6/8</a>, is an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/SPI/Clerks" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Clerks"><abbr title="Sockpuppet investigations">SPI</abbr> Clerk</a> and hails from Germany. He joined the English Wikipedia in 2008 and has made a total of over 121,000 edits.
  2142. <dl><dd>Neither of these highly successful bids for adminship were devoid of the infighting between voters, trolling, and sockpuppetry, which have become regular features of the process in recent times. See <i>The Signpost</i><span class="nowrap" style="padding-left:0.1em;">&#39;</span>s <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-05-24/Op-ed" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-05-24/Op-ed">May 2018</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-06-29/Op-ed" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-06-29/Op-ed">June 2018</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-07-31/Op-ed" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-07-31/Op-ed">July 2018</a> op-eds.</dd></dl></li>
  2143. <li><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz">Liz</a> regains her tools after procedural desysopping following an almost total absence from Wikipedia of over two years.</li>
  2144. <li><a href="/wiki/User:Lourdes" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Lourdes">Lourdes</a> now takes on adminship duties after declining their successful promotion (207/3/1) in February this year.</li>
  2145. <li>Two administrators were desysopped in accordance with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INACTIVITY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INACTIVITY">the admin inactivity policy</a>.</li></ul></li>
  2146. <li><b>Returning editors</b>:
  2147. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Dr._Blofeld" title="User:Dr. Blofeld">Dr. Blofeld</a>, the editor with the most article creation and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know" title="Wikipedia:Did you know"><abbr title="Did-you-knows">DYKs</abbr></a>, returns from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Retiring" title="Wikipedia:Retiring">retirement</a>.</li></ul></li></ul>
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  2153. <div style="float:right;"></div><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-01/News_and_notes" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-01/News and notes">← <span style="text-transform:uppercase; font-size:80%;">Previous</span> &quot;News and notes&quot;</a><div style="clear:both;"></div>
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  2155. <div class="signpost-inthisissue" style="width:35%; float:right;flex:1 0 300px;order:2;"><div style="padding-top:10px; margin-left:20px; color:#333; line-height:130%;"><div style="padding-bottom:5px; min-height:50px; border-bottom:1px solid #AAA; margin-bottom:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"><div class="floatright"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost"><img alt="S" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/40px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png" width="40" height="48" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/60px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/80px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="46" data-file-height="55" /></a></div><span style="line-height:120%; font-size:155%; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase;">In this issue</span></div><div style="font-size:100%; color:#333; line-height:180%; padding-top:5px;"><span style="text-transform:uppercase; color:#999; font-size:110%; font-weight:bold; line-height:150%; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives/2018-10-28" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives/2018-10-28">28 October 2018</a><br /></span><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/From_the_editors" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/From the editors">From the editors</a>
  2156. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Op-ed" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Op-ed">Op-ed</a>
  2157. </li><li><span style="color:#444;"><b>News and notes</b></span>
  2158. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In the media">In the media</a>
  2159. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Discussion_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Discussion report">Discussion report</a>
  2160. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Traffic_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Traffic report">Traffic report</a>
  2161. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Technology_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Technology report">Technology report</a>
  2162. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Special_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Special report">Special report</a>
  2163. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Special_report_2" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Special report 2">Special report 2</a>
  2164. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In focus">In focus</a>
  2165. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Gallery" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Gallery">Gallery</a>
  2166. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Recent research">Recent research</a>
  2167. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Humour" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Humour">Humour</a>
  2168. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/Opinion" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Opinion">Opinion</a>
  2169. </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/From_the_archives" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/From the archives">From the archives</a></li></div>
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  2174. <div class="nomobile"></div>
  2175. <p>Hmmmm. I was only inactive for one year but I guess it felt longer for some of you folks. I missed you all, too! Thanks, Barbara Page and Kudpung. <font face="Papyrus" size="3" color="#800080"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></font></sup> 00:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  2176. </p><p>Why wasn't Kudpung's re-adminship mentioned? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Graham87" title="User:Graham87">Graham</a></b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graham87" title="User talk:Graham87"><span style="color: green;">87</span></a> 06:18, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  2177. </p>
  2178. <dl><dd>Happened on the same day as our new-content deadline. ☆ <a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">Bri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bri" title="User talk:Bri">talk</a>) 12:54, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl>
  2179. <p>It's probably worth mentioning too that the community has established an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Interface_administrators" title="Wikipedia:Interface administrators">interface administrators</a>. All 12 temporary interface administrators have been confirmed as permanent interface administrators, subject to the six-month inactivity rule in the new policy. <a href="/wiki/User:Deryck_Chan" title="User:Deryck Chan">Deryck</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deryck_Chan" title="User talk:Deryck Chan"> C.</a> 10:32, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  2180. </p>
  2181. <ul><li>With a million bucks, perhaps they can invest in some tools for content work. <i>That</i> would <a href="/w/index.php?title=Hold_the_front_page&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Hold the front page (page does not exist)">hold the front page</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Serial_Number_54129" title="User:Serial Number 54129"><span style="color:black"><b>——</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129" title="Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129"><span style="color:black"><i><b>SerialNumber</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129"><span style="color:#8B0000"><i><b>54129</b></i></span></a> 11:31, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  2182. <ul><li>Perhaps you would like to suggest some in the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019" class="extiw" title="m:Community Wishlist Survey 2019">Community Wishlist Survey</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:The_wub" title="User:The wub">the wub</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_wub" title="User talk:The wub"><span style="color: #008000">"?!"</span></a> 19:05, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
  2183. <ul><li>You want me to waste my time <i>how</i> long?  <a href="/wiki/User:Serial_Number_54129" title="User:Serial Number 54129"><span style="color:black"><b>——</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129" title="Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129"><span style="color:black"><i><b>SerialNumber</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129"><span style="color:#8B0000"><i><b>54129</b></i></span></a> 19:10, 2 November 2018 (UTC)</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul>
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  2240.      <guid>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/News_and_notes</guid>
  2241.      <pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2018 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
  2242.      <author>Bri, Scope creep, Kudpung, Chris troutman, SD0001, Nøkkenbuer, Barbara (WVS), L293D</author>
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  2245.      <title><![CDATA[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/In the media]]></title>
  2246.      <link>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_the_media</link>
  2247.      <description><![CDATA[Wikipedia in the news]]></description>
  2248.      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="mw-parser-output"><div style="display:none;" itemprop="description">Wikipedia in the news</div><div class="nomobile noprint" style="box-sizing: border-box;padding:1em 2vw;border-bottom:3px double #999; border-top:3px double #bbb; background-color:#FFF;"><div style="font-family:Wedding Text, Linotext, Old English Text MT, serif; font-size:58px; line-height:69px; padding-bottom:7px;"><div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost"><img alt="The Signpost" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Signpost2.svg/263px-Signpost2.svg.png" width="263" height="48" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Signpost2.svg/395px-Signpost2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Signpost2.svg/526px-Signpost2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="263" data-file-height="48" /></a></div></div></div>
  2249. <div style="font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size:100%; background-color:transparent; border:none; color:#666; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto; text-align:center;"><div style="text-transform:uppercase; width:33%; float:left; text-align:left; margin-top:3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives/2018-10-28" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives/2018-10-28">&#8592; Back to Contents</a></b></div><div style="text-transform:uppercase; width:33%; float:right; text-align:right; margin-top:3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">View Latest Issue</a></b></div><span style="white-space:nowrap; line-height:120%; font-size:155%; color:#333;"><time class="dt-published" datetime="2018-10-28"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives/2018-10-28" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives/2018-10-28"><span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2018-10-28">28 October 2018</span></a></time><br /></span></div></div>
  2250. <div style="clear:both; padding: 0 2vw; max-width: 80em; margin:2em auto 0 auto;" class="plainlinks"><span class="signpost-segment" style="text-shadow: 0px -1px 0px #EEE; color:#777; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif; text-transform:uppercase; font-weight:bold; font-size:110%; line-height:100%; display:block;">In the media</span>
  2251. <h2 id="signpost-article-title" class="signpost-article-title" style="border-bottom:1px solid #AAA; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size:190%; line-height:130%; margin:0; padding-top:.2em; padding-bottom:.7em; text-align:left;"><span id="Bans.2C_celebs.2C_and_bias"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Bans,_celebs,_and_bias">Bans, celebs, and bias</span></h2>
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  2261. <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Logo_google%2B_2015.png/12px-Logo_google%2B_2015.png" width="12" height="12" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Logo_google%2B_2015.png/18px-Logo_google%2B_2015.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Logo_google%2B_2015.png/24px-Logo_google%2B_2015.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512" />&#8194;<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//plusone.google.com/_/+1/confirm?hl=en&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia%3AWikipedia_Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FIn_the_media">Google+</a></li>
  2262. <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/LinkedIn_logo_initials.png/12px-LinkedIn_logo_initials.png" width="12" height="12" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/LinkedIn_logo_initials.png/18px-LinkedIn_logo_initials.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/LinkedIn_logo_initials.png/24px-LinkedIn_logo_initials.png 2x" data-file-width="1024" data-file-height="1024" />&#8194;<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//linkedin.com/shareArticle?mini=true&amp;url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/In_the_media">LinkedIn</a></li>
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  2264. <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/StumbleUpon_Logo.svg/12px-StumbleUpon_Logo.svg.png" width="12" height="12" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/StumbleUpon_Logo.svg/18px-StumbleUpon_Logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/StumbleUpon_Logo.svg/24px-StumbleUpon_Logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="300" data-file-height="300" />&#8194;<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia%3AWikipedia_Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FIn_the_media&amp;title=Bans%2C+celebs%2C+and+bias">StumbleUpon</a></li>
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  2269. <span class="signpost-author">By <a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">Bri</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Eddie891" title="User:Eddie891">Eddie891</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung</a></span></div></div>
  2270. <div class="signpost-article" style="padding: 0 2vw; max-width:80em; margin: 0 auto;">
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  2272. <h3><span id="Wikipedia_.22bans.22_Breitbart"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Wikipedia_&quot;bans&quot;_Breitbart">Wikipedia "bans" Breitbart</span></h3>
  2273. </div>
  2274. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  2275. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Andrew-Breitbart-(edit).jpg" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of Andrew Breitbart shrugging while speaking at an event" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Andrew-Breitbart-%28edit%29.jpg/250px-Andrew-Breitbart-%28edit%29.jpg" width="250" height="150" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Andrew-Breitbart-%28edit%29.jpg/375px-Andrew-Breitbart-%28edit%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Andrew-Breitbart-%28edit%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="498" data-file-height="298" /></a></div></div>
  2276. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">Fake news?</div></div>
  2277. </div>
  2278. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  2279. <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/pa9qvv/wikipedia-banned-breitbart-infowars"><i>Vice</i></a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.pcmag.com/news/364189/wikipedia-bans-breitbart-as-source-of-fact"><i>PC Magazine</i></a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://americanlibrariesmagazine.org/latest-links/wikipedia-bans-breitbart-occupy-democrats-fact-sources/"><i>American Libraries</i> magazine</a>, <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlgCm-TtjTM">The David Pakman Show</a></i>, and others covered the English Wikipedia community's decision not to allow <a href="/wiki/Breitbart_News" title="Breitbart News">Breitbart News</a> sourcing. On October 3, Breitbart called themselves "blacklisted" but of course we can't link the article for <i>The Signpost</i> because... well, the site <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/862453665" title="Special:Diff/862453665">is on the blacklist</a>. <small>—&#8201;<a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">B</a></small>
  2280. </p>
  2281. <h3><span id="Wikipedia.27s_celebrity"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Wikipedia's_celebrity">Wikipedia's celebrity</span></h3>
  2282. <p>Steven Pruitt (<a href="/wiki/User:Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao" title="User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</a>) is currently <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits#1–1000" title="Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits">Wikipedia's top editor</a>, with over 2.7&#160;million edits. He has fairly consistently attracted media coverage, including being named one of the top 25&#160;most influential people on the internet in 2017, by <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://time.com/4815217/most-influential-people-internet/"><i>Time</i></a>. Pruitt was recently flung into the limelight yet again, with a series of prominent newspapers reprinting a piece originating with <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/meet-the-most-prolific-contributor-to-the-english-version-of-wikipedia/2018/10/02/a6497a74-9411-11e8-a679-b09212fb69c2_story.html"><i>The Washington Post</i></a>. <small>—&#8201;<a href="/wiki/User:Eddie891" title="User:Eddie891">E</a></small>
  2283. </p>
  2284. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Jimbo_Wales_lays_off_his_journalists">Jimbo Wales lays off his journalists</span></h3>
  2285. <p>John Enoch, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wikipedia-chiefs-news-website-axes-all-its-journalists-sldz0nnlh">reporting</a> for <i><a href="/wiki/The_Times" title="The Times">The Times</a></i> (paywall) tells of Jimbo Wales firing the reporters of his <i>WikiTribune</i>, the place for "news by the people and for the people", after only one year of publication.
  2286. </p>
  2287. <h3><span id="Nine_million_broken_links.2C_fixed"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Nine_million_broken_links,_fixed">Nine million broken links, fixed</span></h3>
  2288. </div>
  2289. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  2290. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Internet_Archive_logo_and_wordmark.svg" class="image"><img alt="Official logo and wordmark of the Internet Archive" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Internet_Archive_logo_and_wordmark.svg/150px-Internet_Archive_logo_and_wordmark.svg.png" width="150" height="146" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Internet_Archive_logo_and_wordmark.svg/225px-Internet_Archive_logo_and_wordmark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Internet_Archive_logo_and_wordmark.svg/300px-Internet_Archive_logo_and_wordmark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="583" /></a></div></div>
  2291. </div>
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  2293. <p>An <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/02/internet-org-project-helps-restore-millions-of-broken-wikipedia-links/">article</a> in <i>TechCrunch</i> reports on the collaboration of volunteers from the <a href="/wiki/Internet_Archive" title="Internet Archive">Internet Archive</a> succeeding in repairing 9&#160;million broken links. Maximilian Doerr and Stephen Balbach created software tools, including IAbot, to automate correction of 6 million links. Other Wikipedia volunteers fixed 3&#160;million more by manually linking to Internet Archive.
  2294. </p>
  2295. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="In_brief">In brief</span></h3>
  2296. </div>
  2297. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  2298. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:WikiVandal.png" class="image"><img alt="Screenshot of the main page with red graffiti reading &quot;wiki vANdAL&quot; superimposed over it along with a red spraypaint canister in the bottom-right" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/WikiVandal.png/250px-WikiVandal.png" width="250" height="150" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/WikiVandal.png/375px-WikiVandal.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/WikiVandal.png/500px-WikiVandal.png 2x" data-file-width="1168" data-file-height="703" /></a></div></div>
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  2303. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Horrorfilm.png" class="image"><img alt="Clip art icon of a clapperboard with a vampire smiley on it" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Horrorfilm.png" width="150" height="153" data-file-width="114" data-file-height="116" /></a></div></div>
  2304. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">Don't watch this&#160;– read about it!</div></div>
  2305. </div>
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  2307. <ul><li><b>Vandalism</b>: Marcus Gilmer of <i><a href="/wiki/Mashable" title="Mashable">Mashable</a></i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://mashable.com/article/best-wikipedia-edit-trolls/">lists</a> a selection of "[t]he most unforgettable Wikipedia vandalism trolls of all time".</li>
  2308. <li><b>Women</b>: A <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-45966330">two-day edit-a-thon</a> on the <a href="/wiki/Isle_of_Skye" class="mw-redirect" title="Isle of Skye">Isle of Skye</a> adds 13 biographies of women. "It was wonderful to see so many new articles created, and people leave with the skills to continue to edit and update Wikipedia entries".</li>
  2309. <li><b>Sexism</b>: More on the Strickland affair in <i><a href="/wiki/Quartz_(publication)" title="Quartz (publication)">Quartz</a></i>&#160;– "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://qz.com/1412718/wikipedia-has-a-problem-with-sexism-so-does-the-media/">Sexism at Wikipedia feeds off the sexism in the media</a>", while WMF executive director <a href="/wiki/Katherine_Maher" title="Katherine Maher">Katherine Maher</a> writing in the <i><a href="/wiki/Los_Angeles_Times" title="Los Angeles Times">Los Angeles Times</a></i> acknowledges that "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-maher-wikipedia-gender-bias-20181018-story.html">Wikipedia's shortcomings are absolutely real.</a>"</li>
  2310. <li><b>Movies</b>: Apparently, some people like reading plot spoilers on Wikipedia so that they can avoid being scared by watching horror films, according to Katie McDonough in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://themuse.jezebel.com/the-scariest-movies-ever-made-according-to-the-wikiped-1829873994"><i>The Muse</i></a>&#160;– with an interesting illustration by <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.angelicaalzona.com/about/">Angelica Alzona</a>.</li>
  2311. <li><b>Bias on Wikipeda</b>: John Lubbock writing in <i><a href="/wiki/New_Statesman_America" class="mw-redirect" title="New Statesman America">New Statesman America</a></i> discusses "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2018/10/it-d-be-lot-harder-foreign-governments-hack-wikipedia-you-think">Wikipedia's resilience to biased editing</a>" and government interference.</li></ul>
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  2342. <ul><li>Regarding Jimmy Wales and <i>WikiTribune</i>, he and cofounder Orit Kopel <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.wikitribune.com/project/what-we-have-learned-so-far/">wrote recently</a> that "We are looking to hire new journalists – our old staff was great, but we are now focusing much more on community support, and so we are looking for journalists with extensive wiki experience, and journalists with fact checking passion." It remains to be seen exactly how that will play out, but he clearly hasn't given up on the idea of a mix of paid staff and volunteers for creating content. -- <span style="font-family:Brush Script MT; font-size:15px;"><a href="/wiki/User:John_Broughton" title="User:John Broughton">John Broughton</a> </span>  <a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Broughton" title="User talk:John Broughton">(♫♫)</a> 20:54, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
  2343. <ul><li>It seems the media can't even get right <a href="/wiki/Vandalism_on_Wikipedia" title="Vandalism on Wikipedia">the one thing on WP they seem to like reporting about the most</a>. I thought of at least<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WILLY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WILLY">&#160;</a><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DENY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DENY">three</a><a href="/wiki/Talk:WIC_(disambiguation)" title="Talk:WIC (disambiguation)">&#160;</a><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DENY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DENY">egregious</a><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WIKIALITY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WIKIALITY">&#160;</a><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DENY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DENY">omissions</a> as soon as I finished reading it. —<a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder"><span style="border-radius:10px 0 0 10px;background:#9ff;color:blue">&#160;python</span><span style="border-radius:0 10px 10px 0;background:#ff9;color:blue">coder&#160;</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder/t" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Pythoncoder/t">talk</a> &#124; <a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder/c" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Pythoncoder/c">contribs</a>) 23:56, 28 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
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  2401.      <pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2018 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
  2402.      <author>Bri, Kudpung, Chris troutman, Nøkkenbuer, Eddie891</author>
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  2429. <span class="signpost-author">By <a href="/wiki/User:Barbara_(WVS)" title="User:Barbara (WVS)">Barbara Page</a></span></div></div>
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  2434. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Petra_the_African_Grey_and_her_Amazon_Echo_Alexa.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of Petra the African Grey Parrot on the right, with Amazon Alexa to her left and in the center, both on a marble countertop; and an oval clock in the background to the left" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Petra_the_African_Grey_and_her_Amazon_Echo_Alexa.jpg/350px-Petra_the_African_Grey_and_her_Amazon_Echo_Alexa.jpg" width="350" height="197" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Petra_the_African_Grey_and_her_Amazon_Echo_Alexa.jpg/525px-Petra_the_African_Grey_and_her_Amazon_Echo_Alexa.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Petra_the_African_Grey_and_her_Amazon_Echo_Alexa.jpg/700px-Petra_the_African_Grey_and_her_Amazon_Echo_Alexa.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2001" data-file-height="1125" /></a></div></div>
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  2438. <p><i>I wrote a very similar piece in 2017 about my concerns with Amazon's use of Wikipedia via its electronic devices and their lack of attribution. I didn't realize that I was something of a prophet. At least I knew this was coming, but I am guessing I wasn't the only one who knew that one day their contributions may be commercialized. And now I can say: "I told you so."</i>
  2439. </p><p>We editors have kept contributing content to the encyclopedia even though we knew that one day someone else would be making $$$ off of our words and sentences. I was convinced that what I do for fun (and other loftier goals) would only bring me fame and not profit. I am still okay with that—but I told you so. I knew this day was coming. I knew it the very minute after my words entered the public domain. The commercialization of the sum of all human knowledge is here.
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  2445. <td style="vertical-align: top; border: none; padding: 4px 10px;">My brother Robert who has been bed ridden and paralyzed with <a href="/wiki/Multiple_Sclerosis" class="mw-redirect" title="Multiple Sclerosis">Multiple Sclerosis</a> from his neck down for more than 30 years now has a new friend named Alexa! He was in tears with happiness when Alexa played 70's music, played <a href="/wiki/Jeopardy!" title="Jeopardy!">Jeopardy</a>, answered all his questions and wakes him up every morning. Thank you Amazon for giving my brother a new bedside companion.
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  2450. <td colspan="3" class="cquotecite" style="border: none; padding-right: 4%; font-size: smaller; line-height:normal; text-align: right;"><cite>—&#8201;Roy Estaris, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/review/R3W2AFY4JQ2SVA">Customer Review</a> for the <a href="/wiki/Echo_Dot" class="mw-redirect" title="Echo Dot">Echo Dot</a></cite>
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  2452. <p>I attended a family gathering last year where one of my siblings was happy to point out that they were the proud owner of four of Amazon's devices. I made sure that I retained my façade of amazement and admiration of their techiness so they would feel all warm and fuzzy inside (always a great goal at family gatherings). Their Alexas were in their <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lanai#English" class="extiw" title="wikt:lanai">lanai</a>,<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1">&#91;a&#93;</a></sup> kitchen, master bedroom, and bathroom—go figure. I was introduced to the various models during the tour.
  2453. </p><p>At the end of the tour, the Alexa in the kitchen was asked a question by my sibling: "Alexa, when is the next high tide in <a href="/wiki/Sarasota,_Florida" title="Sarasota, Florida">Sarasota, Florida</a>?" Even though there was no convenient way to know if she was right or wrong, I was moderately amazed. Alexa was put through her paces spouting the weather report, the score of the <a href="/wiki/Miami_Dolphins" title="Miami Dolphins">Miami Dolphins</a> game that was in progress, and popular songs by <a href="/wiki/Imagine_Dragons" title="Imagine Dragons">Imagine Dragons</a>. My sibling then asked a question related to an upcoming visit with a professional who does things to make people feel better<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2">&#91;b&#93;</a></sup> that they were going to have done in the next week.
  2454. </p><p>Amazon <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Echo-Dot-Portable-Bluetooth-Speaker-with-Alexa-Black/dp/B01DFKC2SO">lists the talents of the device</a>: "Echo connects to the Alexa Voice Service to play music, make calls, send and receive messages, provide information, news, sports scores, weather, and more—instantly." Google is trying to catch up and has a device that can do similar things. I don't know what database it accesses. I could guess.
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  2458. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Morrison_Foster.PNG" class="image"><img alt="Sepia photograph of Morrison Foster with a suit, small bowtie, and thick moustache" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Morrison_Foster.PNG/200px-Morrison_Foster.PNG" width="200" height="242" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Morrison_Foster.PNG/300px-Morrison_Foster.PNG 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Morrison_Foster.PNG 2x" data-file-width="367" data-file-height="444" /></a></div></div>
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  2462. <p>Then, my sister asked Alexa a question about the upcoming event they were dreading: "Alexa, tell me about [event]." I was crunching away on the appetizers they had out when I heard Alexa give a pretty good, accurate, icy, and dispassionate description of the event. It sounded so familiar—as if I had written it. Well, I had written it, or at least edited that topic's description into its present form. I choked a little on the peanuts, causing some concern (not much, really) to my sibling. "What the [expletive] is wrong with you?" she asked. "I wrote that!" The sibling was not impressed, nor did she believe me. This time, I asked: "Alexa, who is <a href="/wiki/Morrison_Foster" title="Morrison Foster">Morrison Foster</a>?" Sure enough, it spat out the exact first sentence of the article I had written. I then asked about another topic and was able to <a href="/wiki/Lip_sync" title="Lip sync">lip sync</a> to Alexa's reply. My sibling began to ponder on the possibility that I might be correct.
  2463. </p><p>Since then, I've been testing the device: I created an article and five minutes later asked her to tell me about the topic—she said she didn't know. So, at least I know Alexa's <a href="/wiki/Web_crawler" title="Web crawler">spiders</a> aren't instantaneous. Google returns new Wikipedia articles<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3">&#91;c&#93;</a></sup> by the end of the day and probably doesn't need to store Wikipedia. Also, Alexa doesn't disambiguate: if an article contains a parenthetical title, she can't handle that either. It'll tell you that it doesn't know what you are talking about. I imagine that right now, someone is teaching Alexa how to ask questions that can be answered by a script that reads a disambiguation page and then asks you, the device's <a href="/wiki/AI_takeover" title="AI takeover">current</a> master, to decide what you want. "Are you asking about Alexander Addison the judge or the celebrity?" Alexa doesn't handle obscure questions about non-English topics or topics with pronunciations that don't match the written form, as well.
  2464. </p><p>I don't know what kind of deal Amazon has created with music streaming through Alexa, but I bet the musicians get their royalties due to the success of digital music providers like <a href="/wiki/Pandora_Radio" title="Pandora Radio">Pandora Radio</a>, <a href="/wiki/Napster" title="Napster">Napster</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Spotify" title="Spotify">Spotify</a>. Amazon has been able to handle music streaming payments and compensation for online music and musicians, after all, especially now with <a href="/wiki/Amazon_Music_Unlimited" class="mw-redirect" title="Amazon Music Unlimited">Amazon Music Unlimited</a>. I don't know how Amazon compensates <a href="/wiki/AccuWeather" title="AccuWeather">AccuWeather</a>, but I'm sure something of value changes hands.
  2465. </p><p>But the relationship between Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation now has morphed into something new. Amazon has <a href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/2018/09/25/amazon-gift-wikimedia-endowment/" class="extiw" title="foundationsite:2018/09/25/amazon-gift-wikimedia-endowment/">given the Foundation a million dollars</a>. Was this a guilt-ridden donation by Amazon that was meant to make up for their continuing use of Wikipedia? My sibling kept up a conversation with her kitchen-based Alexa, asking Alexa the time, to tell a joke, what its favorite color was, other sports scores and math calculations. I asked Alexa to tell me the <a href="/wiki/Approximations_of_%CF%80" title="Approximations of π">value of pi</a>, hoping Alexa would be occupied for at least an hour, but Alexa only recited the answer out to twenty places.
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  2469. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Amazon_Echo.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of the Amazon Echo on a white background" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Amazon_Echo.jpg/100px-Amazon_Echo.jpg" width="100" height="287" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Amazon_Echo.jpg/150px-Amazon_Echo.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Amazon_Echo.jpg/200px-Amazon_Echo.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1392" data-file-height="4000" /></a></div></div>
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  2473. <p>When I asked Alexa <a href="/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox" title="Omnipotence paradox">if God can create a rock too heavy for Him to lift</a>; she gave me some lame excuse about how she avoids discussing politics and religion. She can't get every question... for now. After about a dozen times of asking Alexa the same question over the course of two weeks, she had taught herself some kind of real response to the question. So she learns.
  2474. </p><p>I'm actually pouting a little bit about how my brilliant prose and ability to decipher complicated journals has led some geeky, AI geniuses to a job with benefits with Amazon. Have we been exploited? I like the idea that information is available in a new and different way—but doesn't Amazon sell these devices at a profit? I'm pretty sure that Amazon has made a lot more in revenue in selling Alexa than it has contributed to the cause of accessible information—an impressive amount more, actually. <a href="/wiki/File:Drevil_million_dollars.jpg" title="File:Drevil million dollars.jpg">A million dollars</a> is not so impressive.
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  2479. <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">This is a back patio on many Floridan houses where you can sit outside and not catch <a href="/wiki/Zika" class="mw-redirect" title="Zika">Zika</a> from the mosquitoes.</span>
  2480. </li>
  2481. <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">You know, like a <a href="/wiki/Pedicure" title="Pedicure">pedicure</a>, <a href="/wiki/Manicure" title="Manicure">manicure</a>, hair appointment; a Lady's clothing concierge appointment; etc.</span>
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  2483. <li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-3">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">That is, except <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub" title="Wikipedia:Stub">stubs</a>, <a href="/wiki/Help:List" title="Help:List">lists</a>, and some <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:STARTCLASS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:STARTCLASS">Start-class</a> articles; and presumably only <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Controlling_search_engine_indexing#Indexing_of_articles_(&quot;mainspace&quot;)" title="Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing">indexed ones</a>.</span>
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  2513. <p>Thank you for giving an insightful reflection. I think it accurately reflects how many people think about this and I also think that most people are left with the same level of not really knowing what to do about it. Its a difficult challenge and we can only hope that we can find timely answers as this kinds of technology changes the way we engage with information. —<a href="/wiki/User:TheDJ" title="User:TheDJ">Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheDJ" title="User talk:TheDJ">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheDJ" title="Special:Contributions/TheDJ">contribs</a>) 15:44, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
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  2515. <ul><li>Fascinating piece and excellently written. Thank you, Barbara Page, I really enjoyed reading this article. I'm not entirely certain how I feel about the situation. I am certainly happy that all this information becomes available to people, but the lack of attribution is certainly an issue, and one that should be relatively easily fixed. Surely, the Foundation could go up against Amazon for this, but I don't know if anyone involved really truly wants that.... ~<a href="/wiki/User:Maplestrip" title="User:Maplestrip"><span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maplestrip" title="User talk:Maplestrip"><span style="color:#700090">chat</span></a>) 15:45, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</li>
  2516. <li>I think it's important to know <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lanai" class="extiw" title="wikt:lanai">lanai</a> is from the Hawaiian language, not really native to Florida. Alexa did not tell me this; I found out for myself. <a href="/wiki/User:Bri.public" title="User:Bri.public">Bri.public</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bri.public" title="User talk:Bri.public">talk</a>) 15:59, 29 October 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
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  2574.      <pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2018 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
  2575.      <author>Bri, Kudpung, Chris troutman, Nøkkenbuer, Barbara (WVS)</author>
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  2578.      <title><![CDATA[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-10-28/Humour]]></title>
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  2580.      <description><![CDATA[Talk page humour: Wikipedia a long history of talk page tomfoolery.]]></description>
  2581.      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="mw-parser-output"><div style="display:none;" itemprop="description">Talk page humour: Wikipedia a long history of talk page tomfoolery.</div><div class="nomobile noprint" style="box-sizing: border-box;padding:1em 2vw;border-bottom:3px double #999; border-top:3px double #bbb; background-color:#FFF;"><div style="font-family:Wedding Text, Linotext, Old English Text MT, serif; font-size:58px; line-height:69px; padding-bottom:7px;"><div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost"><img alt="The Signpost" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Signpost2.svg/263px-Signpost2.svg.png" width="263" height="48" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Signpost2.svg/395px-Signpost2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Signpost2.svg/526px-Signpost2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="263" data-file-height="48" /></a></div></div></div>
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  2584. <h2 id="signpost-article-title" class="signpost-article-title" style="border-bottom:1px solid #AAA; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size:190%; line-height:130%; margin:0; padding-top:.2em; padding-bottom:.7em; text-align:left;"><span id="After_the_apocalypse.2C_when_zombies_and_aliens_take_over_the_Earth_in_a_thousand_years_and_dig_up_Wikipedia.27s_servers_but_can_only_find_talk_pages_without_their_accompanying_articles.2C_what_will_they_think.3F.3F"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="After_the_apocalypse,_when_zombies_and_aliens_take_over_the_Earth_in_a_thousand_years_and_dig_up_Wikipedia's_servers_but_can_only_find_talk_pages_without_their_accompanying_articles,_what_will_they_think??">After the apocalypse, when zombies and aliens take over the Earth in a thousand years and dig up Wikipedia's servers but can only find talk pages without their accompanying articles, what will they think??</span></h2>
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  2602. <span class="signpost-author">By <a href="/wiki/User:Barbara_(WVS)" title="User:Barbara (WVS)">Barbara Page</a></span></div></div>
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  2605. <h3><span id="From_the_talk_page_of_Orange_.28not_the_color.29"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="From_the_talk_page_of_Orange_(not_the_color)">From the talk page of Orange (not the color)</span></h3>
  2606. <p><i><b>Editor's note</b>: <a href="/wiki/Orange_(fruit)" title="Orange (fruit)">Orange (fruit)</a> now has a series of wholesome, appealing images thanks to the industriousness of Wikipedia volunteers and a not-insignificant contribution from the Florida Orange Growers Association. The image seen here is for historical context only, and not meant to disparage Florida oranges in any way, nor the fruit nor any tree product of any sub-national entity.</i>
  2607. </p>
  2608. <div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">The original discussion can be found <a href="/wiki/Talk:Orange_(fruit)/Archive_1#Unflattering_Picture_of_a_Sectioned_Orange" title="Talk:Orange (fruit)/Archive 1">here</a>.</div>
  2609. <div style="color: #000000; background: none; overflow: hidden; page-break-after: avoid; font-size: 1.5em; font-family: Georgia,Times,serif; margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.25em; line-height: 1.3; padding: 0; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">Unflattering Picture of a Sectioned Orange</div>
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  2612. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Navel_orange_sectioned.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of a navel orange, peeled and sectioned; the underdeveloped twin fruit is located on the bottom-right" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Navel_orange_sectioned.jpg/250px-Navel_orange_sectioned.jpg" width="250" height="188" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Navel_orange_sectioned.jpg/375px-Navel_orange_sectioned.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Navel_orange_sectioned.jpg/500px-Navel_orange_sectioned.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1024" data-file-height="768" /></a></div></div>
  2613. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;padding-bottom:2em;">Anti-orange propaganda</div></div>
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  2618. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:(A_bunch_of_Royal_Gala_Apples_from_Chile).JPG" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of a bunch of Royal Gala Apples from Chile" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/%28A_bunch_of_Royal_Gala_Apples_from_Chile%29.JPG/250px-%28A_bunch_of_Royal_Gala_Apples_from_Chile%29.JPG" width="250" height="188" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/%28A_bunch_of_Royal_Gala_Apples_from_Chile%29.JPG/375px-%28A_bunch_of_Royal_Gala_Apples_from_Chile%29.JPG 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/%28A_bunch_of_Royal_Gala_Apples_from_Chile%29.JPG/500px-%28A_bunch_of_Royal_Gala_Apples_from_Chile%29.JPG 2x" data-file-width="4608" data-file-height="3456" /></a></div></div>
  2619. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">An apple cabal meeting</div></div>
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  2622. <p>I think this picture is unflattering if not disgusting. Who would want to eat an orange after seeing that picture? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it were inserted by somebody in the apple industry (known to be unscrupulous) or somebody with an extreme dislike of oranges. A picture that unflattering does not occur by mistake and I'm quite certain there is an agenda behind it. I know that this page is meant to be informative and not pro-orange, but that picture is treading into the dangerous territory of being anti-orange. I'm not saying that we should use the most flattering picture of a sectioned orange available on the 'net, but surely a compromise can be reached. I nominate that it be removed or changed in favor of a more neutral picture. <small><span class="autosigned">—&#160;Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:216.164.60.98&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:216.164.60.98 (page does not exist)">216.164.60.98</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:216.164.60.98" title="User talk:216.164.60.98">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.164.60.98" title="Special:Contributions/216.164.60.98">contribs</a>) </span></small>
  2623. </p>
  2624. <dl><dd>Yes this is clearly a far-<a href="/wiki/Malus" title="Malus">malus</a> conspiracy to drive down orange sales among the compulsive wikipedia browsing population.  Please take whatever action you feel is necessary to restore the vital balance of presentation so that the prolitariate may once again rejuice. - <a href="/wiki/User:JustinWick" title="User:JustinWick">JustinWick</a> 19:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
  2625. <dl><dd>I think the picture is acceptable, and I think it is difficult for a picture to be neutral.  Note that the same IP address also believes that oranges do not grow on trees  <a href="/wiki/User:WLU" title="User:WLU">WLU</a> 19:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
  2626. <dl><dd>I do not think you truely grasp the extent to which apple fans will go to sabotage their competition.  I hereby declare that all images of oranges on Wikipedia should be examined for NPOVness.  216.164.60.98, why don't you get on this ASAP? - <a href="/wiki/User:JustinWick" title="User:JustinWick">JustinWick</a> 21:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)</dd>
  2627. <dd>WLU - That is disingenuous and a complete misrepresentation of anything I've ever posted. Of course oranges grow on trees. I have a lot of knowledge of and experience with oranges. I simply made the point that there are those who remain unconvinced - and those people do exist. If you don't think that's worth noting, then fine, I can live with that. But that's not really what we're talking about right now. Anyhow, if I can find a more flattering picture do you really mind if I change it? JustinWick sees exactly what I am talking about (lol @ rejuice!). I am not about to accuse you of being the person who posted the offending picture or of being involved in the apple industry, but my antenna is up. Cheers!<small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:04:09,_January_24,_2007_216.164.60.98&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:04:09, January 24, 2007 216.164.60.98 (page does not exist)">04:09, January 24, 2007 216.164.60.98</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:04:09,_January_24,_2007_216.164.60.98&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:04:09, January 24, 2007 216.164.60.98 (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/04:09,_January_24,_2007_216.164.60.98" title="Special:Contributions/04:09, January 24, 2007 216.164.60.98">contribs</a>).</small>
  2628. <dl><dd>WLU, are you some kind of apple sympathizer?  Why do you defend a picture that is clearly not in the best interests of our daily nutritional needs.  The anon might not go so far as to accuse you of conspiracy, but it's clear to me that you are at the very least an apple sympathizer.  Anon, can you take a better picture yourself?  You seem to have a deep knowledge of oranges, and you at least live harmoniously with them in your life.  WLU, go back to your cider press or whatever and let us fix this egregious crime against one of nature's most beautious botanical bounties. - <a href="/wiki/User:JustinWick" title="User:JustinWick">JustinWick</a> 22:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd>
  2629. <dd>All the power to you if you can find a better picture of an orange.  The rest of your contributions are POV, unsourced and use weasel words. <a href="/wiki/User:WLU" title="User:WLU">WLU</a>
  2630. <dl><dd>So, let me understand this right. The Signpost has an article about a picture of an orange. Ya know after going through a number of goat ropes while attempting to edit here; I personally believe this is a stunning picture and deserves all of the attention in gets.WHY? Because somewhere, in some place, is some poor bastard being transformed into an emotional tampon over a picture of a damned sectioned orange...BRAVO<a href="/wiki/User:Coal_town_guy" title="User:Coal town guy"><span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:MS Sans Serif;color:#FF0000">Coal town guy </span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coal_town_guy" title="User talk:Coal town guy"><span style="font-style:MS Sans Serif;color:#581845"><i>(talk)</i></span></a>  03:00, 2 November 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl>
  2631. <div style="clear:both;"></div>
  2632. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="From_the_talk_page_of_Zirconia">From the talk page of Zirconia</span></h3>
  2633. <div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">The original discussion can be found <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/865572881#Move_for_deletion?" title="Special:PermanentLink/865572881">here</a>.</div>
  2634. <div style="color: #000000; background: none; overflow: hidden; page-break-after: avoid; font-size: 1.5em; font-family: Georgia,Times,serif; margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.25em; line-height: 1.3; padding: 0; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">Move for deletion?</div>
  2635. </div>
  2636. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  2637. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Diamond.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of either a diamond or cubic zirconia; checking the filename is cheating" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Diamond.jpg" width="200" height="200" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200" /></a></div></div>
  2638. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">Is this the zirconia? Or...</div></div>
  2639. </div>
  2640. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  2641. </div>
  2642. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  2643. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:CZ_brilliant.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of either a diamond or cubic zirconia; checking the filename is cheating" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/CZ_brilliant.jpg/200px-CZ_brilliant.jpg" width="200" height="166" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/CZ_brilliant.jpg 1.5x" data-file-width="298" data-file-height="247" /></a></div></div>
  2644. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">...is this the zirconia?</div></div>
  2645. </div>
  2646. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  2647. <p>My wife found out that her ring was cubic zirconia. I told her that that meant it was extra rare and valuable.  I propose we delete this article, or I am in some serious shit.  She is a big wikipedia user and she might see this page, but I don't want to vandalize... Please&#160;:( <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Oreo_man" title="User:Oreo man">Oreo man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oreo_man" title="User talk:Oreo man">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Oreo_man" title="Special:Contributions/Oreo man">contribs</a>) </small>
  2648. </p>
  2649. <dl><dd>Sorry, I'm afraid you're doomed. Tuck your head down and kiss the boys goodbye, is all the advice I can offer! --<span style="color:#0000ff"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grey_Knight" title="User talk:Grey Knight">Grey Knight</a></span> <span style="color:#777777"><a href="/wiki/User:Grey_Knight" title="User:Grey Knight">⊖</a></span> 04:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)</dd>
  2650. <dd>You don't have a special right to request an article's deletion just because you screwed up. But you have to say, cubic zirconia is shiny, and we all know people can't resist shiny objects. :D <a href="/wiki/User:Suigintou" title="User:Suigintou">The First Doll</a> 07:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)</dd>
  2651. <dd>Sorry, you're screwed. But I do agree that cubic zirconium is shiny.  --<span style="font-family:Times New Roman; font-size:120%; color:blue"><a href="/wiki/User:Science4sail" title="User:Science4sail"><b>science4sail</b></a> </span><sup><span style="color:green"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Science4sail" title="User talk:Science4sail">talk</a></span></sup><small><span style="color:red"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Science4sail" title="Special:Contributions/Science4sail">con</a></span></small> 02:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  2652. <dl><dd>hahaha your dead when your wife finds this page--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Blue_eyes_gold_dragon&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Blue eyes gold dragon (page does not exist)">Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon</a> 08:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
  2653. <dl><dd>Or 'Talk page highlights'... <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/203.11.71.124" title="Special:Contributions/203.11.71.124">203.11.71.124</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:203.11.71.124" title="User talk:203.11.71.124">talk</a>) 09:13, 16 January 2012 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
  2654. <div style="clear:both;"></div>
  2655. <h3><span id="From_the_talk_page_of_George_Washington_.28inventor.29"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="From_the_talk_page_of_George_Washington_(inventor)">From the talk page of George Washington (inventor)</span></h3>
  2656. <div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">The original discussion can be found <a href="/wiki/Talk:George_Washington_(inventor)/Archive_1#Pic" title="Talk:George Washington (inventor)/Archive 1">here</a>.</div>
  2657. <div style="color: #000000; background: none; overflow: hidden; page-break-after: avoid; font-size: 1.5em; font-family: Georgia,Times,serif; margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.25em; line-height: 1.3; padding: 0; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">Pic</div>
  2658. </div>
  2659. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  2660. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:George_Washington_and_his_Instant_Coffee.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of a sketch of the inventor George Washington as a stickman with a top hat and cup of hot instant coffee" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/George_Washington_and_his_Instant_Coffee.jpg/250px-George_Washington_and_his_Instant_Coffee.jpg" width="250" height="333" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/George_Washington_and_his_Instant_Coffee.jpg/375px-George_Washington_and_his_Instant_Coffee.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/George_Washington_and_his_Instant_Coffee.jpg/500px-George_Washington_and_his_Instant_Coffee.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2112" data-file-height="2816" /></a></div></div>
  2661. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;">An approximation of Mr. Washington's appearance based on available historical information</div>
  2662. </div>
  2663. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  2664. <p>In lieu of contemporary photographs or paintings, here is an artist's rendition of Washington, with coffee.  --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jeffrey_O._Gustafson&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson (page does not exist)">Jeffrey O. Gustafson</a> - <i><a href="/wiki/User:Jeffrey_O._Gustafson/Shazaam" title="User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson/Shazaam">Shazaam!</a></i> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeffrey_O._Gustafson" title="User talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson">&lt;*&gt;</a> 15:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  2665. </p>
  2666. <dl><dd>You know, if you've read the article recently, he should really have a monkey sitting on his shoulder&#160;:)--<a href="/wiki/User:Pharos" title="User:Pharos">Pharos</a> 15:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
  2667. <dl><dd>♥♥♥  <a href="/wiki/User:ShadowHalo" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ShadowHalo">ShadowHalo</a> 20:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl>
  2668. <div style="clear:both;"></div>
  2669. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="From_the_talk_page_for_notability_guidelines_for_septuagenarian_female_plumbers_with_red_hair_and_freckles">From the talk page for notability guidelines for septuagenarian female plumbers with red hair and freckles</span></h3>
  2670. <div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">The original discussion can be found <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/391269084#Scope_of_species_included" title="Special:PermanentLink/391269084">here</a>.</div>
  2671. <div style="color: #000000; background: none; overflow: hidden; page-break-after: avoid; font-size: 1.17em; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 0.3em; margin-bottom: 0; line-height: 1.6; padding-top: 0.5em; padding-bottom: 0;">Scope of species included</div>
  2672. </div>
  2673. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  2674. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:American_Beaver.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of a beaver" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/American_Beaver.jpg/250px-American_Beaver.jpg" width="250" height="251" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/American_Beaver.jpg/375px-American_Beaver.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/American_Beaver.jpg/500px-American_Beaver.jpg 2x" data-file-width="718" data-file-height="721" /></a></div></div>
  2675. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">The plumber just showed up and will charge $275 just for walking through your front door.</div></div>
  2676. </div>
  2677. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  2678. <p>It is not clear if this proposal is meant to apply to only <a href="/wiki/Human" title="Human">humans</a> (homo sapien), or also to <a href="/wiki/Beaver" title="Beaver">beavers</a> (castor canadensis, castor fiber), particularly the <a href="/wiki/American_beaver" class="mw-redirect" title="American beaver">American beaver</a>, which also has <i>red</i> fur (and builds water control systems). <a href="/wiki/User:Pee_Tern" title="User:Pee Tern">Peet Ern</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pee_Tern" title="User talk:Pee Tern">talk</a>) 01:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
  2679. </p>
  2680. <dl><dd>Very few beavers are going to reach septuagenarian status, and if they do, then that in and of itself is notable.  --<a href="/wiki/User:Kevin_Murray" title="User:Kevin Murray">Kevin Murray</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kevin_Murray" title="User talk:Kevin Murray">talk</a>) 01:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
  2681. <dl><dd>I think you will find it is more than you might realise.  I assume we are counting <i>species years</i>, for example, <i>human years</i> versus <i>dog years</i> versus <i>beaver years</i>.  <a href="/wiki/User:Pee_Tern" title="User:Pee Tern">Peet Ern</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pee_Tern" title="User talk:Pee Tern">talk</a>) 02:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
  2682. <dl><dd>I stand corrected.  But does this mean expanding this page or adding another more specific guideline re Beavers who plumb in old age? --<a href="/wiki/User:Kevin_Murray" title="User:Kevin Murray">Kevin Murray</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kevin_Murray" title="User talk:Kevin Murray">talk</a>) 02:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
  2683. <dl><dd>It depends.  If the old age plumbing beaver is also a horse jockey who formed a pop group and recorded one song then they should have their own guideline.  Otherwise they should be included in the generic <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:NF70%2BPB&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:NF70+PB (page does not exist)">WP:NF70+PB</a> guideline. <a href="/wiki/User:Pee_Tern" title="User:Pee Tern">Peet Ern</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pee_Tern" title="User talk:Pee Tern">talk</a>) 03:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
  2684. <dl><dd>A pressing question is also whether the hair color of the beaver is different from that of the plumber.--<a href="/wiki/User:Father_Goose" title="User:Father Goose">Father Goose</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Father_Goose" title="User talk:Father Goose">talk</a>) 02:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
  2685. <dl><dd>Careful!  We're talking plumbing not anatomy. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kevin_Murray" title="User:Kevin Murray">Kevin Murray</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kevin_Murray" title="User talk:Kevin Murray">talk</a>) 05:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
  2686. <div style="clear:both;"></div>
  2687. <h3><span id="From_the_Reference_desk.27s_science_archives"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="From_the_Reference_desk's_science_archives">From the Reference desk's science archives</span></h3>
  2688. <div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">The original discussion can be found <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Science/2015_February_4#Spontaneous_Hummingbird_Combustion" title="Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Science/2015 February 4">here</a>.</div>
  2689. <div style="color: #000000; background: none; overflow: hidden; page-break-after: avoid; font-size: 1.5em; font-family: Georgia,Times,serif; margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.25em; line-height: 1.3; padding: 0; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">Spontaneous Hummingbird Combustion</div>
  2690. </div>
  2691. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  2692. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:ISI.png" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of a reconstructed representation of the aftermath of human spontaneous combustion" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/ISI.png/250px-ISI.png" width="250" height="174" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/ISI.png/375px-ISI.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/ISI.png/500px-ISI.png 2x" data-file-width="893" data-file-height="623" /></a></div></div>
  2693. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;padding-bottom:2em;">Is this the hummingbird? Or...</div></div>
  2694. </div>
  2695. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  2696. </div>
  2697. <div class="signpost-sidebar" style="width:300px; float:right; clear:right; padding-left:20px;">
  2698. <div class="center"><div class="floatnone"><a href="/wiki/File:Colibri-thalassinus-001-edit.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Photograph of a hummingbird feeding from a flower" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Colibri-thalassinus-001-edit.jpg/250px-Colibri-thalassinus-001-edit.jpg" width="250" height="156" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Colibri-thalassinus-001-edit.jpg/375px-Colibri-thalassinus-001-edit.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Colibri-thalassinus-001-edit.jpg/500px-Colibri-thalassinus-001-edit.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2112" data-file-height="1320" /></a></div></div>
  2699. <div style="clear:both; padding:5px; padding-top:10px; width:290px; font-size:0.85em; color:#4D4D4D; line-height:1.35em;"><div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">...is this the hummingbird seconds before ignition?</div></div>
  2700. </div>
  2701. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  2702. <p>I have heard it claimed that if a human's metabolic rate was somehow increased to match that of a hummingbird, the human would burst into flames. Is this true, and if so, how was it calculated? And for that matter, what prevents hummingbirds from spontaneously combusting if their metabolism is as high as this claim implies? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.4.22.29" title="Special:Contributions/75.4.22.29">75.4.22.29</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:75.4.22.29&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:75.4.22.29 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 15:19, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
  2703. </p>
  2704. <dl><dd><span style="font-size:85%;">What you've stated is a common misconception. Hummingbirds are bursting into flame all the time. ←<a href="/wiki/User:Baseball_Bugs" title="User:Baseball Bugs">Baseball Bugs</a> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Baseball_Bugs" title="User talk:Baseball Bugs">What's up, Doc?</a></i></sup> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs" title="Special:Contributions/Baseball Bugs">carrots</a>→ 17:20, 4 February 2015 (UTC)</span></dd></dl>
  2705. <div class="center" style="width:auto; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;">[impressive amount of people-taking-it-seriously discussion removed]</div>
  2706. <dl><dd>What do you mean?  African or European Hummingbirds?  It's a question of weight ratios.  really all it means is that we'd have enough muscles and energy to flap hard enough to fly and use the air as coolant.  Probably be very fast swimmers too.  --<a href="/wiki/User:DHeyward" title="User:DHeyward">DHeyward</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DHeyward" title="User talk:DHeyward">talk</a>) 18:32, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
  2707. <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:DHeyward" title="User:DHeyward">DHeyward</a>, the issue is that the hummingbirds don't combust when they carry a coconut together on a line.  <a href="/wiki/User:Nyttend" title="User:Nyttend">Nyttend</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nyttend" title="User talk:Nyttend">talk</a>) 18:31, 6 February 2015 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd>
  2708. <dd>We had a cold snap the other night.  The only birds that <i>weren't</i> flash-freezing in mid-flight were the local hummingbirds.  <a href="/wiki/New_York_One" class="mw-redirect" title="New York One">New York One</a> news was advising people who found sparrows and other songbirds frozen in mid-air to scoop them up with a fishing net, and microwave them on low for five minutes or so, depending on the make and wattage. <a href="/wiki/User:Medeis" title="User:Medeis">μηδείς</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Medeis" title="User talk:Medeis">talk</a>) 18:44, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
  2709. <dl><dd>"And as I fricaseed him, he gave out a yell: 'Oy! Willow! <span style="font-size:85%;">Titwillow!</span> <span style="font-size:85%;"><span style="font-size:85%;">Willow!</span></span>'" --Allan Sherman<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ollDmrUSfBU">[1]</a> ←<a href="/wiki/User:Baseball_Bugs" title="User:Baseball Bugs">Baseball Bugs</a> <sup><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Baseball_Bugs" title="User talk:Baseball Bugs">What's up, Doc?</a></i></sup> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs" title="Special:Contributions/Baseball Bugs">carrots</a>→ 18:53, 4 February 2015 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl>
  2710. <div style="clear:both;"></div>
  2711. </div>
  2712. <p><br />
  2713. </p>
  2714. <div style="line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
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  2735. </li><li><span style="color:#444;"><b>Humour</b></span>
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  2743. <dl><dd>:D Wut a nice way to start my day :D <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lourdes" title="User talk:Lourdes"><span style="color: black; background: white">Lourdes</span></a>  16:14, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
  2744. <dl><dd>All of these have been at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_highlights" title="Wikipedia:Talk page highlights">Wikipedia:Talk page highlights</a> for a while (the most recent one having been added <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Talk_page_highlights&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=649783445">in 2015</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Double_sharp" title="User:Double sharp">Double sharp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Double_sharp" title="User talk:Double sharp">talk</a>) 03:16, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
  2745. <dl><dd>Oh yes they have! It seems like only a few editors dig deep enough to find these tidbits. Lucky for me I only had to do some pasting with attribution. Talk page discussions on Wikipedia are also in the public domain, people. <a href="/wiki/User:Barbara_(WVS)" title="User:Barbara (WVS)">Barbara</a>&#160;<span style="color: darkred;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barbara_(WVS)" title="User talk:Barbara (WVS)">✐ </a>&#160;<a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Barbara_(WVS)" title="Special:EmailUser/Barbara (WVS)">✉ </a></span> 09:13, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
  2746. <dl><dd>Thanks for the chuckles&#160;:-). Just to clarify, talk page discussions aren’t in the <a href="/wiki/Public_domain" title="Public domain">public domain</a> in the legal sense. <a href="/wiki/User:Adrian_J._Hunter" title="User:Adrian J. Hunter">Adrian&#160;<b>J.</b>&#160;Hunter</a><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adrian_J._Hunter" title="User talk:Adrian J. Hunter">talk</a>•<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Adrian_J._Hunter" title="Special:Contributions/Adrian J. Hunter">contribs</a>)</sup> 03:03, 2 November 2018 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
  2747. <p>I want to know if the Apple Cabal ever meets with the <a href="/wiki/Lumber_Cartel" title="Lumber Cartel">Lumber Cartel</a>... <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnonMoos" title="User talk:AnonMoos">talk</a>) 08:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
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  2827. <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Reddit.svg/12px-Reddit.svg.png" width="12" height="12" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Reddit.svg/18px-Reddit.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Reddit.svg/24px-Reddit.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256" />&#8194;<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//ssl.reddit.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia%3AWikipedia_Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FGallery&amp;title=Planetary+views">Reddit</a></li>
  2828. <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/StumbleUpon_Logo.svg/12px-StumbleUpon_Logo.svg.png" width="12" height="12" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/StumbleUpon_Logo.svg/18px-StumbleUpon_Logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/StumbleUpon_Logo.svg/24px-StumbleUpon_Logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="300" data-file-height="300" />&#8194;<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia%3AWikipedia_Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FGallery&amp;title=Planetary+views">StumbleUpon</a></li>
  2829. <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Digg-new.svg/12px-Digg-new.svg.png" width="12" height="8" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Digg-new.svg/18px-Digg-new.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Digg-new.svg/24px-Digg-new.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="54" data-file-height="34" />&#8194;<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://digg.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia%3AWikipedia_Signpost%2F2018-10-28%2FGallery&amp;title=Planetary+views}">Digg</a></li></ul>
  2830. </div>
  2831. </div>
  2832. </div>
  2833. <span class="signpost-author"> selected by <a href="/wiki/User:Barbara_(WVS)" title="User:Barbara (WVS)">Barbara Page</a></span></div></div>
  2834. <div class="signpost-article" style="padding: 0 2vw; max-width:80em; margin: 0 auto;">
  2835. <div style="max-width:46em; line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  2836. <p><br />
  2837. </p>
  2838. </div>
  2839. <div style="line-height:1.6em; font-size:1em; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; padding-left:2vw;">
  2840. <p><a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Commons" title="Wikimedia Commons">Wikimedia Commons</a> editors select the images that they believe are the best in this huge collection. Since women astronomers make an appearance in our editorial, we decided astronomy might be an interesting topic. These images reflect our fascination with all things 'planet'. Attribution belongs to <a href="/wiki/NASA" title="NASA">NASA</a> in many cases, but click on each image to see full attributions on each corresponding file page. (Is it really true that <a href="/wiki/Pluto" title="Pluto">Pluto</a> failed its classification as a planet? What did the Plutonians do wrong?)
  2841. </p>
  2842. <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Planets">Planets</span></h3>
  2843. <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-packed-hover">
  2844. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 358px"><div style="width: 358px">
  2845. <div class="thumb" style="width: 356px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Jovian_Tempest.tif" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Jovian_Tempest.tif/lossy-page1-534px-Jovian_Tempest.tif.jpg" width="356" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Jovian_Tempest.tif/lossy-page1-800px-Jovian_Tempest.tif.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Jovian_Tempest.tif/lossy-page1-1067px-Jovian_Tempest.tif.jpg 2x" data-file-width="5176" data-file-height="2912" /></a></div></div>
  2846. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 336px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2847. <p>Jovian Tempest
  2848. </p>
  2849. </div></div>
  2850. </div></li>
  2851. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 237.33333333333px"><div style="width: 237.33333333333px">
  2852. <div class="thumb" style="width: 235.33333333333px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:PIA21972_Jupiter_Blues.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/PIA21972_Jupiter_Blues.jpg/353px-PIA21972_Jupiter_Blues.jpg" width="236" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/PIA21972_Jupiter_Blues.jpg/530px-PIA21972_Jupiter_Blues.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/PIA21972_Jupiter_Blues.jpg/707px-PIA21972_Jupiter_Blues.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1920" data-file-height="1630" /></a></div></div>
  2853. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 216px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2854. <p>Jupiter Blues
  2855. </p>
  2856. </div></div>
  2857. </div></li>
  2858. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 482px"><div style="width: 482px">
  2859. <div class="thumb" style="width: 480px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:PIA17218_%E2%80%93_A_Farewell_to_Saturn,_Brightened_Version.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/PIA17218_%E2%80%93_A_Farewell_to_Saturn%2C_Brightened_Version.jpg/720px-PIA17218_%E2%80%93_A_Farewell_to_Saturn%2C_Brightened_Version.jpg" width="480" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/PIA17218_%E2%80%93_A_Farewell_to_Saturn%2C_Brightened_Version.jpg/1080px-PIA17218_%E2%80%93_A_Farewell_to_Saturn%2C_Brightened_Version.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/PIA17218_%E2%80%93_A_Farewell_to_Saturn%2C_Brightened_Version.jpg/1440px-PIA17218_%E2%80%93_A_Farewell_to_Saturn%2C_Brightened_Version.jpg 2x" data-file-width="6000" data-file-height="2500" /></a></div></div>
  2860. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 460px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2861. <p>PIA17218 – A Farewell to Saturn, Brightened Version
  2862. </p>
  2863. </div></div>
  2864. </div></li>
  2865. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 322px"><div style="width: 322px">
  2866. <div class="thumb" style="width: 320px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:PIA22349_%E2%80%93_Gullies_of_Matara_Crater.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/PIA22349_%E2%80%93_Gullies_of_Matara_Crater.jpg/480px-PIA22349_%E2%80%93_Gullies_of_Matara_Crater.jpg" width="320" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/PIA22349_%E2%80%93_Gullies_of_Matara_Crater.jpg/720px-PIA22349_%E2%80%93_Gullies_of_Matara_Crater.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/PIA22349_%E2%80%93_Gullies_of_Matara_Crater.jpg/960px-PIA22349_%E2%80%93_Gullies_of_Matara_Crater.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2880" data-file-height="1800" /></a></div></div>
  2867. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 300px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2868. <p>PIA22349 – Gullies of Matara Crater
  2869. </p>
  2870. </div></div>
  2871. </div></li>
  2872. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 302px"><div style="width: 302px">
  2873. <div class="thumb" style="width: 300px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Mosaic_of_the_Arctic.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Mosaic_of_the_Arctic.jpg/450px-Mosaic_of_the_Arctic.jpg" width="300" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Mosaic_of_the_Arctic.jpg/675px-Mosaic_of_the_Arctic.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Mosaic_of_the_Arctic.jpg/900px-Mosaic_of_the_Arctic.jpg 2x" data-file-width="5000" data-file-height="3333" /></a></div></div>
  2874. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 280px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2875. <p>Mosaic of the Arctic
  2876. </p>
  2877. </div></div>
  2878. </div></li>
  2879. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 139.33333333333px"><div style="width: 139.33333333333px">
  2880. <div class="thumb" style="width: 137.33333333333px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Earthrise_over_Compton_crater_-LRO_full_res.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Earthrise_over_Compton_crater_-LRO_full_res.jpg/206px-Earthrise_over_Compton_crater_-LRO_full_res.jpg" width="138" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Earthrise_over_Compton_crater_-LRO_full_res.jpg/309px-Earthrise_over_Compton_crater_-LRO_full_res.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Earthrise_over_Compton_crater_-LRO_full_res.jpg/413px-Earthrise_over_Compton_crater_-LRO_full_res.jpg 2x" data-file-width="8520" data-file-height="12388" /></a></div></div>
  2881. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 118px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2882. <p>Earthrise over Compton crater -LRO full res
  2883. </p>
  2884. </div></div>
  2885. </div></li>
  2886. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 204px"><div style="width: 204px">
  2887. <div class="thumb" style="width: 202px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Mercury_in_color_-_Prockter07_centered.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Mercury_in_color_-_Prockter07_centered.jpg/303px-Mercury_in_color_-_Prockter07_centered.jpg" width="202" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Mercury_in_color_-_Prockter07_centered.jpg/454px-Mercury_in_color_-_Prockter07_centered.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Mercury_in_color_-_Prockter07_centered.jpg/605px-Mercury_in_color_-_Prockter07_centered.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1991" data-file-height="1974" /></a></div></div>
  2888. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 182px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2889. <p>Mercury
  2890. </p>
  2891. </div></div>
  2892. </div></li>
  2893. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 202px"><div style="width: 202px">
  2894. <div class="thumb" style="width: 200px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Mercury_transit_2.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Mercury_transit_2.jpg/300px-Mercury_transit_2.jpg" width="200" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Mercury_transit_2.jpg/450px-Mercury_transit_2.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Mercury_transit_2.jpg/600px-Mercury_transit_2.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="2000" /></a></div></div>
  2895. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 180px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2896. <p>2006 Transit of Mercury
  2897. </p>
  2898. </div></div>
  2899. </div></li>
  2900. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 202px"><div style="width: 202px">
  2901. <div class="thumb" style="width: 200px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:2012_Transit_of_Venus_from_SF.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/2012_Transit_of_Venus_from_SF.jpg/300px-2012_Transit_of_Venus_from_SF.jpg" width="200" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/2012_Transit_of_Venus_from_SF.jpg/450px-2012_Transit_of_Venus_from_SF.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/2012_Transit_of_Venus_from_SF.jpg/600px-2012_Transit_of_Venus_from_SF.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2577" data-file-height="2577" /></a></div></div>
  2902. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 180px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2903. <p>2012 Transit of Venus from SF
  2904. </p>
  2905. </div></div>
  2906. </div></li>
  2907. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 202px"><div style="width: 202px">
  2908. <div class="thumb" style="width: 200px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Venus_globe.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Venus_globe.jpg/300px-Venus_globe.jpg" width="200" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Venus_globe.jpg/450px-Venus_globe.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Venus_globe.jpg/600px-Venus_globe.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4096" data-file-height="4096" /></a></div></div>
  2909. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 180px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2910. <p>Venus globe
  2911. </p>
  2912. </div></div>
  2913. </div></li>
  2914. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 206px"><div style="width: 206px">
  2915. <div class="thumb" style="width: 204px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:AS8-13-2329.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/AS8-13-2329.jpg/306px-AS8-13-2329.jpg" width="204" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/AS8-13-2329.jpg/459px-AS8-13-2329.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/AS8-13-2329.jpg/611px-AS8-13-2329.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2457" data-file-height="2411" /></a></div></div>
  2916. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 184px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2917. <p>First photograph taken by man of <a href="/wiki/Earth" title="Earth">Earthrise</a>
  2918. </p>
  2919. </div></div>
  2920. </div></li>
  2921. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 202px"><div style="width: 202px">
  2922. <div class="thumb" style="width: 200px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:NASA-Apollo8-Dec24-Earthrise.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/NASA-Apollo8-Dec24-Earthrise.jpg/300px-NASA-Apollo8-Dec24-Earthrise.jpg" width="200" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/NASA-Apollo8-Dec24-Earthrise.jpg/450px-NASA-Apollo8-Dec24-Earthrise.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/NASA-Apollo8-Dec24-Earthrise.jpg/600px-NASA-Apollo8-Dec24-Earthrise.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2400" data-file-height="2400" /></a></div></div>
  2923. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 180px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2924. <p>Earthrise
  2925. </p>
  2926. </div></div>
  2927. </div></li>
  2928. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 202px"><div style="width: 202px">
  2929. <div class="thumb" style="width: 200px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:The_Earth_seen_from_Apollo_17.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/The_Earth_seen_from_Apollo_17.jpg/300px-The_Earth_seen_from_Apollo_17.jpg" width="200" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/The_Earth_seen_from_Apollo_17.jpg/450px-The_Earth_seen_from_Apollo_17.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/The_Earth_seen_from_Apollo_17.jpg/600px-The_Earth_seen_from_Apollo_17.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3000" data-file-height="3002" /></a></div></div>
  2930. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 180px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2931. <p>The Earth seen from Apollo 17
  2932. </p>
  2933. </div></div>
  2934. </div></li>
  2935. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 202px"><div style="width: 202px">
  2936. <div class="thumb" style="width: 200px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:North_America_from_low_orbiting_satellite_Suomi_NPP.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/North_America_from_low_orbiting_satellite_Suomi_NPP.jpg/300px-North_America_from_low_orbiting_satellite_Suomi_NPP.jpg" width="200" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/North_America_from_low_orbiting_satellite_Suomi_NPP.jpg/450px-North_America_from_low_orbiting_satellite_Suomi_NPP.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/North_America_from_low_orbiting_satellite_Suomi_NPP.jpg/600px-North_America_from_low_orbiting_satellite_Suomi_NPP.jpg 2x" data-file-width="8000" data-file-height="8000" /></a></div></div>
  2937. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 180px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2938. <p>North America from low orbiting satellite Suomi NPP
  2939. </p>
  2940. </div></div>
  2941. </div></li>
  2942. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 402px"><div style="width: 402px">
  2943. <div class="thumb" style="width: 400px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:BlackMarble20161km.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/BlackMarble20161km.jpg/600px-BlackMarble20161km.jpg" width="400" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/BlackMarble20161km.jpg/900px-BlackMarble20161km.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/BlackMarble20161km.jpg/1200px-BlackMarble20161km.jpg 2x" data-file-width="43200" data-file-height="21600" /></a></div></div>
  2944. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 380px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2945. <p><a href="/wiki/Earth" title="Earth">Earth</a> at night (2016)
  2946. </p>
  2947. </div></div>
  2948. </div></li>
  2949. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 402px"><div style="width: 402px">
  2950. <div class="thumb" style="width: 400px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Earth%27s_City_Lights_by_DMSP,_1994-1995_(large).jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Earth%27s_City_Lights_by_DMSP%2C_1994-1995_%28large%29.jpg/600px-Earth%27s_City_Lights_by_DMSP%2C_1994-1995_%28large%29.jpg" width="400" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Earth%27s_City_Lights_by_DMSP%2C_1994-1995_%28large%29.jpg/900px-Earth%27s_City_Lights_by_DMSP%2C_1994-1995_%28large%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Earth%27s_City_Lights_by_DMSP%2C_1994-1995_%28large%29.jpg/1200px-Earth%27s_City_Lights_by_DMSP%2C_1994-1995_%28large%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4800" data-file-height="2400" /></a></div></div>
  2951. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 380px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2952. <p><a href="/wiki/Earth" title="Earth">Earth</a> at night (1994–1995)
  2953. </p>
  2954. </div></div>
  2955. </div></li>
  2956. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 202px"><div style="width: 202px">
  2957. <div class="thumb" style="width: 200px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:OSIRIS_Mars_true_color.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/OSIRIS_Mars_true_color.jpg/300px-OSIRIS_Mars_true_color.jpg" width="200" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/OSIRIS_Mars_true_color.jpg/450px-OSIRIS_Mars_true_color.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/OSIRIS_Mars_true_color.jpg/600px-OSIRIS_Mars_true_color.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2205" data-file-height="2205" /></a></div></div>
  2958. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 180px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2959. <p>Mars in true colour by OSIRIS
  2960. </p>
  2961. </div></div>
  2962. </div></li>
  2963. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 1273.3333333333px"><div style="width: 1273.3333333333px">
  2964. <div class="thumb" style="width: 1271.3333333333px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Victoria_Crater,_Cape_Verde-Mars.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Victoria_Crater%2C_Cape_Verde-Mars.jpg/1907px-Victoria_Crater%2C_Cape_Verde-Mars.jpg" width="1272" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Victoria_Crater%2C_Cape_Verde-Mars.jpg/2860px-Victoria_Crater%2C_Cape_Verde-Mars.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Victoria_Crater%2C_Cape_Verde-Mars.jpg/3813px-Victoria_Crater%2C_Cape_Verde-Mars.jpg 2x" data-file-width="12200" data-file-height="1920" /></a></div></div>
  2965. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 1252px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2966. <p>Victoria Crater, Cape Verde, Mars
  2967. </p>
  2968. </div></div>
  2969. </div></li>
  2970. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 201.33333333333px"><div style="width: 201.33333333333px">
  2971. <div class="thumb" style="width: 199.33333333333px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Victoria_Crater_taken_by_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Victoria_Crater_taken_by_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter.jpg/299px-Victoria_Crater_taken_by_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter.jpg" width="200" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Victoria_Crater_taken_by_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter.jpg/448px-Victoria_Crater_taken_by_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Victoria_Crater_taken_by_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter.jpg/598px-Victoria_Crater_taken_by_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4088" data-file-height="4103" /></a></div></div>
  2972. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 180px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2973. <p>Victoria crater on Mars
  2974. </p>
  2975. </div></div>
  2976. </div></li>
  2977. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 565.33333333333px"><div style="width: 565.33333333333px">
  2978. <div class="thumb" style="width: 563.33333333333px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:VallesMarinerisHuge.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/VallesMarinerisHuge.jpg/845px-VallesMarinerisHuge.jpg" width="564" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/VallesMarinerisHuge.jpg/1268px-VallesMarinerisHuge.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/VallesMarinerisHuge.jpg/1690px-VallesMarinerisHuge.jpg 2x" data-file-width="9002" data-file-height="3196" /></a></div></div>
  2979. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 544px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2980. <p>Valles Marineris on Mars
  2981. </p>
  2982. </div></div>
  2983. </div></li>
  2984. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 202px"><div style="width: 202px">
  2985. <div class="thumb" style="width: 200px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:TerraformedMarsGlobeRealistic.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/TerraformedMarsGlobeRealistic.jpg/300px-TerraformedMarsGlobeRealistic.jpg" width="200" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/TerraformedMarsGlobeRealistic.jpg/450px-TerraformedMarsGlobeRealistic.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/TerraformedMarsGlobeRealistic.jpg/600px-TerraformedMarsGlobeRealistic.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4450" data-file-height="4450" /></a></div></div>
  2986. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 180px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2987. <p>Terraformed Mars
  2988. </p>
  2989. </div></div>
  2990. </div></li>
  2991. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 216.66666666667px"><div style="width: 216.66666666667px">
  2992. <div class="thumb" style="width: 214.66666666667px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Olympus_Mons_alt.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Olympus_Mons_alt.jpg/322px-Olympus_Mons_alt.jpg" width="215" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Olympus_Mons_alt.jpg/483px-Olympus_Mons_alt.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Olympus_Mons_alt.jpg/644px-Olympus_Mons_alt.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2020" data-file-height="1883" /></a></div></div>
  2993. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 195px"><div class="gallerytext">
  2994. <p>Olympus Mons
  2995. </p>
  2996. </div></div>
  2997. </div></li>
  2998. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 404.66666666667px"><div style="width: 404.66666666667px">
  2999. <div class="thumb" style="width: 402.66666666667px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Descent_of_Phoenix_with_a_crater_in_the_background_taken_by_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Descent_of_Phoenix_with_a_crater_in_the_background_taken_by_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter.jpg/604px-Descent_of_Phoenix_with_a_crater_in_the_background_taken_by_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter.jpg" width="403" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Descent_of_Phoenix_with_a_crater_in_the_background_taken_by_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter.jpg/905px-Descent_of_Phoenix_with_a_crater_in_the_background_taken_by_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Descent_of_Phoenix_with_a_crater_in_the_background_taken_by_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter.jpg/1207px-Descent_of_Phoenix_with_a_crater_in_the_background_taken_by_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1500" data-file-height="746" /></a></div></div>
  3000. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 383px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3001. <p>Image taken by Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter showing descent of Phoenix with a crater in the background.
  3002. </p>
  3003. </div></div>
  3004. </div></li>
  3005. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 734px"><div style="width: 734px">
  3006. <div class="thumb" style="width: 732px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Spirit%27s_West_Valley_Panorama_(PIA10216).jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Spirit%27s_West_Valley_Panorama_%28PIA10216%29.jpg/1098px-Spirit%27s_West_Valley_Panorama_%28PIA10216%29.jpg" width="732" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Spirit%27s_West_Valley_Panorama_%28PIA10216%29.jpg/1647px-Spirit%27s_West_Valley_Panorama_%28PIA10216%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Spirit%27s_West_Valley_Panorama_%28PIA10216%29.jpg/2195px-Spirit%27s_West_Valley_Panorama_%28PIA10216%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="12756" data-file-height="3487" /></a></div></div>
  3007. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 712px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3008. <p>NASA'S Mars Exploration Rover Spirit captured this westward view from atop a low plateau
  3009. </p>
  3010. </div></div>
  3011. </div></li>
  3012. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 455.33333333333px"><div style="width: 455.33333333333px">
  3013. <div class="thumb" style="width: 453.33333333333px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Hellas_Chaos_on_Mars.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Hellas_Chaos_on_Mars.jpg/680px-Hellas_Chaos_on_Mars.jpg" width="454" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Hellas_Chaos_on_Mars.jpg/1019px-Hellas_Chaos_on_Mars.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Hellas_Chaos_on_Mars.jpg/1359px-Hellas_Chaos_on_Mars.jpg 2x" data-file-width="7745" data-file-height="3421" /></a></div></div>
  3014. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 434px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3015. <p>Hellas Chaos on Mars
  3016. </p>
  3017. </div></div>
  3018. </div></li>
  3019. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 322px"><div style="width: 322px">
  3020. <div class="thumb" style="width: 320px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:PIA21465_-_North_Polar_Layers.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/PIA21465_-_North_Polar_Layers.jpg/480px-PIA21465_-_North_Polar_Layers.jpg" width="320" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/PIA21465_-_North_Polar_Layers.jpg/720px-PIA21465_-_North_Polar_Layers.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/PIA21465_-_North_Polar_Layers.jpg/960px-PIA21465_-_North_Polar_Layers.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2880" data-file-height="1800" /></a></div></div>
  3021. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 300px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3022. <p>Water ice layers in Olympia Rupes, Mars
  3023. </p>
  3024. </div></div>
  3025. </div></li>
  3026. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 302px"><div style="width: 302px">
  3027. <div class="thumb" style="width: 300px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:PIA11178_-_The_Contrasting_Colors_of_Crater_Dunes_and_Gullies.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/PIA11178_-_The_Contrasting_Colors_of_Crater_Dunes_and_Gullies.jpg/450px-PIA11178_-_The_Contrasting_Colors_of_Crater_Dunes_and_Gullies.jpg" width="300" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/PIA11178_-_The_Contrasting_Colors_of_Crater_Dunes_and_Gullies.jpg/675px-PIA11178_-_The_Contrasting_Colors_of_Crater_Dunes_and_Gullies.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/PIA11178_-_The_Contrasting_Colors_of_Crater_Dunes_and_Gullies.jpg/900px-PIA11178_-_The_Contrasting_Colors_of_Crater_Dunes_and_Gullies.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4500" data-file-height="3000" /></a></div></div>
  3028. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 280px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3029. <p>Gullies in Galle crater, Mars
  3030. </p>
  3031. </div></div>
  3032. </div></li>
  3033. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 322px"><div style="width: 322px">
  3034. <div class="thumb" style="width: 320px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:PIA20736_-_Glowing_Gullies_in_Kaiser_Crater_Dunes.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/PIA20736_-_Glowing_Gullies_in_Kaiser_Crater_Dunes.jpg/480px-PIA20736_-_Glowing_Gullies_in_Kaiser_Crater_Dunes.jpg" width="320" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/PIA20736_-_Glowing_Gullies_in_Kaiser_Crater_Dunes.jpg/720px-PIA20736_-_Glowing_Gullies_in_Kaiser_Crater_Dunes.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/PIA20736_-_Glowing_Gullies_in_Kaiser_Crater_Dunes.jpg/960px-PIA20736_-_Glowing_Gullies_in_Kaiser_Crater_Dunes.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2880" data-file-height="1800" /></a></div></div>
  3035. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 300px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3036. <p>Gullies in Kaiser crater, Mars
  3037. </p>
  3038. </div></div>
  3039. </div></li>
  3040. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 322px"><div style="width: 322px">
  3041. <div class="thumb" style="width: 320px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:PIA21111_-_Wind_Carved_Rock.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/PIA21111_-_Wind_Carved_Rock.jpg/480px-PIA21111_-_Wind_Carved_Rock.jpg" width="320" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/PIA21111_-_Wind_Carved_Rock.jpg/720px-PIA21111_-_Wind_Carved_Rock.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/PIA21111_-_Wind_Carved_Rock.jpg/960px-PIA21111_-_Wind_Carved_Rock.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2880" data-file-height="1800" /></a></div></div>
  3042. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 300px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3043. <p>Strong wind erosion in Medusae Fossae, Mars
  3044. </p>
  3045. </div></div>
  3046. </div></li>
  3047. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 142.66666666667px"><div style="width: 142.66666666667px">
  3048. <div class="thumb" style="width: 140.66666666667px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Portrait_of_Jupiter_from_Cassini.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Portrait_of_Jupiter_from_Cassini.jpg/211px-Portrait_of_Jupiter_from_Cassini.jpg" width="141" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Portrait_of_Jupiter_from_Cassini.jpg/317px-Portrait_of_Jupiter_from_Cassini.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Portrait_of_Jupiter_from_Cassini.jpg/423px-Portrait_of_Jupiter_from_Cassini.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2260" data-file-height="3207" /></a></div></div>
  3049. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 121px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3050. <p>Jupiter
  3051. </p>
  3052. </div></div>
  3053. </div></li>
  3054. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 196.66666666667px"><div style="width: 196.66666666667px">
  3055. <div class="thumb" style="width: 194.66666666667px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:790106-0203_Voyager_58M_to_31M_reduced.gif" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/790106-0203_Voyager_58M_to_31M_reduced.gif/292px-790106-0203_Voyager_58M_to_31M_reduced.gif" width="195" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/790106-0203_Voyager_58M_to_31M_reduced.gif 1.5x" data-file-width="390" data-file-height="400" /></a></div></div>
  3056. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 175px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3057. <p>790106-0203 Voyager 58M to 31M reduced
  3058. </p>
  3059. </div></div>
  3060. </div></li>
  3061. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 1339.3333333333px"><div style="width: 1339.3333333333px">
  3062. <div class="thumb" style="width: 1337.3333333333px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Saturn%27s_rings_in_visible_light_and_radio.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Saturn%27s_rings_in_visible_light_and_radio.jpg/2006px-Saturn%27s_rings_in_visible_light_and_radio.jpg" width="1338" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Saturn%27s_rings_in_visible_light_and_radio.jpg/3009px-Saturn%27s_rings_in_visible_light_and_radio.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Saturn%27s_rings_in_visible_light_and_radio.jpg/4012px-Saturn%27s_rings_in_visible_light_and_radio.jpg 2x" data-file-width="5776" data-file-height="864" /></a></div></div>
  3063. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 1318px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3064. <p>Saturn's rings in visible light and radio
  3065. </p>
  3066. </div></div>
  3067. </div></li>
  3068. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 268.66666666667px"><div style="width: 268.66666666667px">
  3069. <div class="thumb" style="width: 266.66666666667px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Saturn_with_auroras.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Saturn_with_auroras.jpg/400px-Saturn_with_auroras.jpg" width="267" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Saturn_with_auroras.jpg/600px-Saturn_with_auroras.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Saturn_with_auroras.jpg/800px-Saturn_with_auroras.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2261" data-file-height="1696" /></a></div></div>
  3070. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 247px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3071. <p>Saturn with auroras
  3072. </p>
  3073. </div></div>
  3074. </div></li>
  3075. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 415.33333333333px"><div style="width: 415.33333333333px">
  3076. <div class="thumb" style="width: 413.33333333333px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Saturn_during_Equinox.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Saturn_during_Equinox.jpg/620px-Saturn_during_Equinox.jpg" width="414" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Saturn_during_Equinox.jpg/930px-Saturn_during_Equinox.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Saturn_during_Equinox.jpg/1240px-Saturn_during_Equinox.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4613" data-file-height="2233" /></a></div></div>
  3077. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 394px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3078. <p>Saturn during Equinox
  3079. </p>
  3080. </div></div>
  3081. </div></li>
  3082. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 432px"><div style="width: 432px">
  3083. <div class="thumb" style="width: 430px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Saturn%27s_Rings_in_Ultraviolet_Light.png" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Saturn%27s_Rings_in_Ultraviolet_Light.png/645px-Saturn%27s_Rings_in_Ultraviolet_Light.png" width="430" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Saturn%27s_Rings_in_Ultraviolet_Light.png/968px-Saturn%27s_Rings_in_Ultraviolet_Light.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Saturn%27s_Rings_in_Ultraviolet_Light.png/1290px-Saturn%27s_Rings_in_Ultraviolet_Light.png 2x" data-file-width="2150" data-file-height="1000" /></a></div></div>
  3084. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 410px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3085. <p>Saturn's Rings in Ultraviolet Light
  3086. </p>
  3087. </div></div>
  3088. </div></li>
  3089. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 516.66666666667px"><div style="width: 516.66666666667px">
  3090. <div class="thumb" style="width: 514.66666666667px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:The_Day_the_Earth_Smiled_-_PIA17172.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/The_Day_the_Earth_Smiled_-_PIA17172.jpg/772px-The_Day_the_Earth_Smiled_-_PIA17172.jpg" width="515" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/The_Day_the_Earth_Smiled_-_PIA17172.jpg/1158px-The_Day_the_Earth_Smiled_-_PIA17172.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/The_Day_the_Earth_Smiled_-_PIA17172.jpg/1543px-The_Day_the_Earth_Smiled_-_PIA17172.jpg 2x" data-file-width="9000" data-file-height="3500" /></a></div></div>
  3091. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 495px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3092. <p>The Day the Earth Smiled
  3093. </p>
  3094. </div></div>
  3095. </div></li>
  3096. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 268.66666666667px"><div style="width: 268.66666666667px">
  3097. <div class="thumb" style="width: 266.66666666667px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Jewel_of_the_Solar_System.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Jewel_of_the_Solar_System.jpg/400px-Jewel_of_the_Solar_System.jpg" width="267" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Jewel_of_the_Solar_System.jpg/600px-Jewel_of_the_Solar_System.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Jewel_of_the_Solar_System.jpg/800px-Jewel_of_the_Solar_System.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3600" data-file-height="2700" /></a></div></div>
  3098. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 247px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3099. <p>Jewel of the Solar System
  3100. </p>
  3101. </div></div>
  3102. </div></li>
  3103. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 408px"><div style="width: 408px">
  3104. <div class="thumb" style="width: 406px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Saturn_eclipse.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Saturn_eclipse.jpg/609px-Saturn_eclipse.jpg" width="406" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Saturn_eclipse.jpg/913px-Saturn_eclipse.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Saturn_eclipse.jpg/1217px-Saturn_eclipse.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2766" data-file-height="1364" /></a></div></div>
  3105. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 386px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3106. <p>Saturn eclipse
  3107. </p>
  3108. </div></div>
  3109. </div></li>
  3110. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 393.33333333333px"><div style="width: 393.33333333333px">
  3111. <div class="thumb" style="width: 391.33333333333px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Saturn_from_Cassini_Orbiter_(2004-10-06).jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Saturn_from_Cassini_Orbiter_%282004-10-06%29.jpg/587px-Saturn_from_Cassini_Orbiter_%282004-10-06%29.jpg" width="392" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Saturn_from_Cassini_Orbiter_%282004-10-06%29.jpg/881px-Saturn_from_Cassini_Orbiter_%282004-10-06%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Saturn_from_Cassini_Orbiter_%282004-10-06%29.jpg/1174px-Saturn_from_Cassini_Orbiter_%282004-10-06%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="8888" data-file-height="4544" /></a></div></div>
  3112. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 372px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3113. <p>Saturn
  3114. </p>
  3115. </div></div>
  3116. </div></li>
  3117. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 202px"><div style="width: 202px">
  3118. <div class="thumb" style="width: 200px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Neptune_Full.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Neptune_Full.jpg/300px-Neptune_Full.jpg" width="200" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Neptune_Full.jpg/450px-Neptune_Full.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Neptune_Full.jpg/600px-Neptune_Full.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2200" data-file-height="2200" /></a></div></div>
  3119. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 180px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3120. <p>Neptune Full
  3121. </p>
  3122. </div></div>
  3123. </div></li>
  3124. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 302px"><div style="width: 302px">
  3125. <div class="thumb" style="width: 300px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Fomalhaut_planet.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Fomalhaut_planet.jpg/450px-Fomalhaut_planet.jpg" width="300" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Fomalhaut_planet.jpg/675px-Fomalhaut_planet.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Fomalhaut_planet.jpg/900px-Fomalhaut_planet.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3000" data-file-height="2000" /></a></div></div>
  3126. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 280px"><div class="gallerytext">
  3127. <p>Fomalhaut planet
  3128. </p>
  3129. </div></div>
  3130. </div></li>
  3131. <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 203.33333333333px"><div style="width: 203.33333333333px">
  3132. <div class="thumb" style="width: 201.33333333333px;"><div style="margin:0px auto;"><a href="/wiki/File:Africa_and_Europe_from_a_Million_Miles_Away.png" class="image"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Africa_and_Europe_from_a_Million_Miles_Away.png/302px-Africa_and_Europe_from_a_Million_Miles_Away.png" width="202" height="200" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Africa_and_Europe_from_a_Million_Miles_Away.png/453px-Africa_and_Europe_from_a_Million_Miles_Away.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Africa_and_Europe_from_a_Million_Miles_Away.png/604px-Africa_and_Europe_from_a_Million_Miles_Away.png 2x" data-file-width="1780" data-file-height="1768" /></a></div></div>
  3133. <div class="gallerytextwrapper" style="width: 182px"><div c