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  7. <title type="text">Comments for Rad Geek People&#039;s Daily</title>
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  17. <title>Comment on Libertarianism through Thick and Thin by 7 Key Concepts for Understanding Anti-Work Theory &#8211; ANARCHIMEDIA</title>
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  21. <name>7 Key Concepts for Understanding Anti-Work Theory &#8211; ANARCHIMEDIA</name>
  22. <uri>https://anarchimedia.wordpress.com/2017/04/04/7-key-concepts-for-understanding-anti-work-theory/</uri>
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  25. <id>tag:radgeek.com,2008://geekery_today.20081003102408#comment-613772</id>
  26. <updated>2017-04-04T01:01:33Z</updated>
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  28. <content type="html" xml:base="http://radgeek.com/gt/2008/10/03/libertarianism_through/#comment-613772"><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] example, in Charles Johnson’s Libertarianism Through Thick and Thin he imagines a society whereby we all defer to a central leader and scrape by while paying tributes. [&#8230;]</p>
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  33. <title>Comment on Rad Geek Reader Questions: Herodotus of Halicarnassus by Rad Geek</title>
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  37. <name>Rad Geek</name>
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  42. <updated>2017-04-02T12:16:46Z</updated>
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  44. <content type="html" xml:base="http://radgeek.com/gt/2017/03/10/rad-geek-reader-questions-herodotus-of-halicarnassus/#comment-608416"><![CDATA[<p>I &#8230; strongly dislike that movie.</p>
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  46. <p>Anyway, you&#8217;re welcome; thanks for the kind words! Other than bad taste in film, how is the symposium going?</p>
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  51. <title>Comment on Rad Geek Reader Questions: Herodotus of Halicarnassus by James Smith</title>
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  55. <name>James Smith</name>
  56. <uri>http://starwarswisdom.com</uri>
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  59. <id>http://radgeek.com/?p=8742#comment-602886</id>
  60. <updated>2017-03-31T20:28:51Z</updated>
  61. <published>2017-03-31T20:28:51Z</published>
  62. <content type="html" xml:base="http://radgeek.com/gt/2017/03/10/rad-geek-reader-questions-herodotus-of-halicarnassus/#comment-602886"><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating. Teaching a symposium on ancient world history to advanced students and shared this with them. Their response: &#8220;Sure, but mostly I like the part where he slow-motion kicks the guy in the well.&#8221; </p>
  63.  
  64. <p>Still have a ways to go. </p>
  65.  
  66. <p>Thanks!</p>
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  71. <title>Comment on Liberty, Equality, Solidarity: Toward a Dialectical Anarchism by A Response to the Basic Income FAQ - In Five Parts (4/5) - Abolish Work</title>
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  74. <author>
  75. <name>A Response to the Basic Income FAQ - In Five Parts (4/5) - Abolish Work</name>
  76. <uri>http://abolishwork.com/2017/03/22/response-basic-income-faq-five-parts-45/</uri>
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  78.  
  79. <id>http://radgeek.com/?p=4676#comment-597148</id>
  80. <updated>2017-03-22T17:18:58Z</updated>
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  82. <content type="html" xml:base="http://radgeek.com/gt/2010/03/02/liberty-equality-solidarity-toward-a-dialectical-anarchism/#comment-597148"><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] not as means to an end like the method of taxation does. These methods come from the framework of anarchism, not [&#8230;]</p>
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  87. <title>Comment on On crutches and crowbars: toward a labor radical case against the minimum wage by A Response to the Basic Income FAQ - In Five Parts (3/5) - Abolish Work</title>
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  91. <name>A Response to the Basic Income FAQ - In Five Parts (3/5) - Abolish Work</name>
  92. <uri>http://abolishwork.com/2017/03/17/response-basic-income-faq-five-parts-35/</uri>
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  98. <content type="html" xml:base="http://radgeek.com/gt/2008/03/06/on_crutches/#comment-596907"><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the present welfare system in that it&#8217;s paternalistic, bureaucratic, a net-loss for the poor, a trap, etc. etc. So our disagreement here isn&#8217;t necessarily about the UBI being better or worse [&#8230;]</p>
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  103. <title>Comment on Liberty, Equality, Solidarity: Toward a Dialectical Anarchism by A Response to the Basic Income FAQ - In Five Parts (3/5) - Abolish Work</title>
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  106. <author>
  107. <name>A Response to the Basic Income FAQ - In Five Parts (3/5) - Abolish Work</name>
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  110.  
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  114. <content type="html" xml:base="http://radgeek.com/gt/2010/03/02/liberty-equality-solidarity-toward-a-dialectical-anarchism/#comment-594867"><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] insufficient way to get us to a better safety net. I think a better safety net should be based on solidarity, mutual aid and equality of authority, not the government. Perhaps that&#8217;s utopian or unrealistic of me, but I think it&#8217;s much [&#8230;]</p>
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  119. <title>Comment on Robert E. Lee owned slaves and defended slavery by Gary</title>
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  123. <name>Gary</name>
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  125.  
  126. <id>tag:radgeek.com,2005://geekery_today.20050103223731#comment-594718</id>
  127. <updated>2017-03-17T13:47:22Z</updated>
  128. <published>2017-03-17T13:47:22Z</published>
  129. <content type="html" xml:base="http://radgeek.com/gt/2005/01/03/robert-e-lee-owned-slaves-and-defended-slavery/#comment-594718"><![CDATA[<p>What I enjoy are people who read a book or quote from the web never picking up a research book or anything of substance.  Quoting from the works of Elizabeth Pryor who arranged it so her research who could not be challenged it was not until after her death that it was found she had twisted, the facts to meet her expectations.</p>
  130.  
  131. <p>Let’s briefly hit on all the myths, lies that she began.</p>
  132.  
  133. <p>Lee refused to honor Curtis will, keeping the slaves in servitude. </p>
  134.  
  135. <p>The Black Heritage Museum</p>
  136.  
  137. <p>“…This attitude explains why, in a much-quoted 1859 letter, Lee said that Custis had left him &#8220;an unpleasant legacy.&#8221;(14) When Lee took over Arlington’s management in 1857, there were 196 slaves living there. Never a working plantation, the house and its grounds were instead an elegant showplace for the Washington treasury, a collection of artifacts associated with the first president. But Custis had entertained lavishly and often, and his finances were in serious disarray at the time of his death. In fact, Lee believed that the three major provisions of Custis’s will were contradictory: the estate was so deeply in debt that there seemed to be no way for Lee to pay off Custis’s creditors, give a $10,000 cash bequest to each of his daughters, and free all the slaves within five years. In frustration, Lee asked the local circuit court to decide whether he was legally obligated to honor Custis’s deadline.[murray] When the justices answered yes, Lee determinedly set about fulfilling his obligations, and he did so by ordering the Arlington people to work harder and longer than they ever had before. The slaves naturally resisted.(15) They knew that Custis’s will guaranteed their freedom, and their behavior, to a man who preferred not to deal with slaves under the best of circumstances, made Lee’s legacy &#8220;unpleasant&#8221; indeed. </p>
  138.  
  139. <p>For Lee, at this point a lieutenant colonel in the U. S. Army, insubordination was an affront requiring swift punishment. Yet he disliked open confrontations and found the use of physical force distasteful. When verbal admonishments failed to cow the slaves, he decided to hire out eleven of the worst offenders, six men and five women. Lee intended this act to isolate them from the rest of the community and teach all of the Arlington people the need for servility. It didn’t work. On the contrary, three of the men simply ran away from their new masters and returned home to their families. Lee described the events in a letter to his son, Rooney: &#8220;Reuben, Parker, and Edward, in the beginning of the previous week, rebelled against my authority . . . &amp; said they were as free as I was, etc., etc. I succeeded in capturing them however, tied them &amp; lodged them in jail. They resisted till overpowered &amp; called upon the other people to save them.&#8221;[fellman, 65] According to historian Michael Fellman, the jail referenced was in Alexandria, and Lee had the men whipped by the county sheriff, who routinely carried out such punishments for the local gentry. Over the next year, Lee hired other slaves out, as well, and two of these also ran away and were caught. Though it lasted only two years, Lee’s tenure as Arlington’s master was fraught with strife. </p>
  140.  
  141. <p>On December 29, 1862, Lee appeared before a justice of the peace in Richmond and signed a document manumitting all of the Arlington people.(16) The Civil War was well underway by this date. Lee had command of the Army of Virginia, Union troops occupied his home and its grounds, and his family had become refugees.(17) Given this context, it is unclear whether Lee was simply honoring the terms of Custis’s will, which stipulated that the slaves be freed that year, or whether felt forced to free them by extenuating circumstances. For one thing, Lee had returned to active duty in February 1860, and, since Arlington was still in debt then, it could not have been debt-free in 1862.[Perry 209] That Lee waited so late in the year to act raises additional questions about the sincerity of his intentions. Moreover, Abraham Lincoln had just that fall signed the Emancipation Proclamation, which declared that all slaves in rebel territory would be freed on January 1, 1863 if their masters did not surrender. Technically, the Arlington people were already contrabands, that is, they had been &#8220;confiscated&#8221; as rebel property by Union troops and were likely to be freed anyway. [Although Lee had no way of knowing how long the war would last, he probably understood that his chances of returning to Arlington were nonexistent.]…”.
  142. So in conclusion Lee went to court to have them interpret Custis Will.  The Court was the one who decided ambiguous worded will first required the dowry was paid out before they were granted their freedom.  The records are available for review through the Virginia Historical</p>
  143.  
  144. <p>The claim of Wesley Norris.  A field hand who statement was clearly at the hands of a educated person that appeared in an anti-slavery periodical.</p>
  145.  
  146. <p>As mention Mrs. Pryor clearly counted on her work going unproven as to her and Norris original claim that Lee himself administrated the punishment.  When we were able to review her work one of the first things that was found was the receipt to the constable paying him to pelt administrate the disciplinary action.  That alone would give her work a question of authenticity.</p>
  147.  
  148. <p>The claim to how evil Lee was in having the runaways whipped.
  149. “…Forget we are speaking of Lee, let instead discuss John Doe.  Keep in mind this was the 1800s, what did whites to include our President Lincoln think of blacks?  That is correct they were inferior and would never be on par with whites; ““I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”</p>
  150.  
  151. <p>But a slave owner with a few slaves seldom if ever ordered physical punishment and for a number of reasons; the slave would harder to work, control; the slave would be more likely to flee and most importantly the slave might seek revenge and if you could not afford an overseer then you would be the one to face the music.</p>
  152.  
  153. <p>A slave owner of means hired an overseer to handle slave matters, which would have been beneath the owner and he would never be presented during discipline.  It was considered vulgar and beneath one of status.  Now please don’t misunderstand this analogy as I am not saying a black was on the level of a pet, I am trying to point out what society at the time thought of physical discipline.  That was something along the lines of one of your neighbors mistreating his familys&#8217; livestock or pets, demeaning, cruel, a crude violent person.  As, I said I have no doubt if slaves had fled and were caught lee or anyone would have ordered them whipped but at the same time I am just as confident that Lee would never have been present.</p>
  154.  
  155. <p>When you read the history of Curtis slaves by his slaves you would thought they would have rather lived and worked for him than be free.  They worked nominal hours, shared in the crops, they had their own church, were educated, taught a trade and the list goes.  Then Lee came in, it was clear the man had never had or worked a slave at first nothing changed them we started working longer days than ever before, some of tried to organize slowdowns or run off, “when he hired us out we ran off and came back home”.</p>
  156.  
  157. <p>Trying to be fair something our detractors don’t even know the meaning let’s look at side bar piece of evidence:</p>
  158.  
  159. <p>I don’t have Virginias’ Slave Code here all the States were similar so lets use the Georgia slave code (which stated in part):</p>
  160.  
  161. <p>Owners refusing to abide by the slave code were fined, forfeited their slaves and could be jailed.</p>
  162.  
  163. <p>Slaves were forbidden to leave the owner&#8217;s property unless accompanied by a white person, or with permission.</p>
  164.  
  165. <p>If a slave left the owner&#8217;s property without permission, &#8220;every white person&#8221; was required to chastise them.</p>
  166.  
  167. <p>Any slave who evaded capture for 20 days or more was to be publicly whipped for the first offense; branded with an &#8220;R&#8221; on the right cheek on the second offense; lose one ear if absent for thirty days on the third offense, and castrated on the fourth offense.</p>
  168.  
  169. <p>Slave homes were searched every two weeks for weapons or stolen goods. Punishment escalated from loss of an ear, branding and nose-slitting to death on the fourth offense.</p>
  170.  
  171. <p>No slave could work on Sunday, or more than 15 hours per day in summer and 14 hours in winter.</p>
  172.  
  173. <p>The willful killing of a slave was fined £700, and &#8220;passion&#8221; killing £350.</p>
  174.  
  175. <p>The fine for concealing runaway slaves was $1,000 and a prison sentence up to one year.</p>
  176.  
  177. <p>Freeing a slave was forbidden except by deed (after 1820, only by permission of the legislature; Georgia required legislative approval after 1801).</p>
  178.  
  179. <p>The slave codes in the tobacco colonies (Delaware, Maryland, North Carolina and Virginia) were modeled on the Virginia code, established in 1667. The 1682 Virginia code included the following provisions:</p>
  180.  
  181. <p>Slaves were prohibited from possessing weapons.</p>
  182.  
  183. <p>Slaves were prohibited from attacking a white person, even in self-defense.</p>
  184.  
  185. <p>A runaway slave, refusing to surrender, could be killed without penalty</p>
  186.  
  187. <p>The story of Lees Army capturing blacks at Gettysburg and sending them South,
  188. Everyone is familiar with the story of when General Jeff Davis pulled the pontoon bridges at Ebenezer Creek and the contraband jumped into the creek and drowned.  Have you not noticed the claim when the pursuing Confederate Army arrived at the creek they murdered the remaining contraband?  That and like claims is why the truth is important and the reason that you as a Southerner should address any such claim.</p>
  189.  
  190. <p>First there is no way Davis intentional pulled that bridge hoping to drown blacks; he did so in the hope they would stop the people quit following the Army.  They hindered operations, caused morale problems and used needed supplies.  </p>
  191.  
  192. <p>Many claimed that Wheeler killed many of the slaves but Sherman in his memoirs stated in part “…others may have been cruelly killed by Wheeler&#8217;s men, but this was a mere supposition”.  Wheeler states, “By breaking up the camp during the extreme darkness a great many negroes were left in our hands, whom we sent back to their owners.  We also captured three wagons and teams, and caused the enemy to burn several more wagons.  The whole number of negroes captured from the enemy during the movement was nearly 2,000.”  The slaves were viewed, as property to have damaged or killed would have brought both civil and military justice on Wheeler.</p>
  193.  
  194. <p>The point being Gettysburg blacks that could not prove they were “Freemen” were considered runaway and arrested as such.  Personal Note: Like Forrest testifying about the Klux Klan people then must have had honor as many of the blacks admitted to be runaways even reporting their owner’s names.  I personal would have been heading to Canada.</p>
  195.  
  196. <p>William Mack Lee was a flim-flam artist who used Lee’s name to raise ,omey to build churches.</p>
  197.  
  198. <p>Reverend William Mack Lee claimed he was raised as a slave at Arlington if you review the property list you will find he was and is not listed among the slaves or as property.</p>
  199.  
  200. <p>&#8220;The onliest time that Marse Robert ever scolded me,&#8221; said William Mack Lee, &#8220;in de whole fo&#8217; years dat I followed him through the wah, was, down in de Wilderness&#8211;Seven Pines&#8211; near Richmond. I remembah dat day jes lak it was yestiday. Hit was July the third, 1863.&#8221;</p>
  201.  
  202. <p>I am sure everyone remembers where Lee was on that date?  Does the word Gettysburg July 3, 1863 ring a bell?  The same when it comes to the Wilderness or Seven Pines.</p>
  203.  
  204. <p>The Reverend then states he and Marsh Lee where at First Manassas which of course we all know Lee was not at the Battle.</p>
  205.  
  206. <p>He then goes on to say at the Wilderness in 64’ the cooked for Jackson who had died in May of 1863.</p>
  207.  
  208. <p>&#8220;On dat day&#8211;July the third&#8211;we was all so hongry and I didn&#8217;t have nuffin in ter cook, dat I was jes&#8217; plumb bumfuzzled. I didn&#8217;t know what to do. Marse Robert, he had gone and invited a crowd of ginerals to eat wid him, an&#8217; I had ter git de vittles. Dar was Marse Stonewall Jackson, and Marse A. P. Hill, and Marse D. H. Hill, and Marse Wade Hampton, Gineral Longstreet, and Gineral Pickett and sum others.&#8221;</p>
  209.  
  210. <p>Neither Lee nor anyone in his staff be it on paper or speech ever mentions him. But more importantly Lee; Walter Taylor;  Lt. Colonel Porter E. Alexander; Captain E. C. Fitzhugh and even Stuart state in many of their correspondences that Perry and William Parks along with Billy Taylor served as the Generals cooks and servants!</p>
  211.  
  212. <p>&#8220;Having stayed on Marse Robert&#8217;s plantation 18 years after the war and with limited schooling, &#8221;
  213. Wasn’t Arlington being used for something else?   Oh I remember a graveyard!  </p>
  214.  
  215. <p>William Mack Lee a black who made many claims and was widely accepted throughout the South as an icon because of his supposed involvement with Lee.   In most cases when relating these and other stories he was soliciting monies to build churches and apparently no one questioned him either because they wanted to believe him or did.  Even then there appears to be problems:</p>
  216.  
  217. <p>Mack says  he built the Third Baptist Church in Washington, DC at a cost of three thousand dollars, began its pastor and increased the pastored two years, increasing the membership.  The Church says it was built in 1885 by the Rev. William B. Jefferson.   <a href="http://www.thirdbaptistchurch.org/history.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thirdbaptistchurch.org/history.html</a></p>
  218.  
  219. <p>Cromwell&#8217;s history states that the church was completed in 1893, and cost $26,000, and that under James Lee around 200 members were added:</p>
  220.  
  221. <p>‎The Reverend claimed Lee had stated ‘At the close of the struggle, General Lee said to General Grant: &#8216;Grant, you didn&#8217;t whip me, you just overpowered me, I surrender this day 8,000 men; I do not surrender them to you, I surrender on conditions; it shall not go down in history I surrendered the Northen Confederate Army of Virginia to you.  It shall go down in history I surrendered on conditins; you have ten men to my one; my men, too, are barefooted and hungry.  If Joseph E. Johnston could have gotten to me three days ago I would have cut my way through and gone back into the mountains of North Carolina and would have given you a happy time.&#8217;“  What these conditions were I do not know, but I know these were Marse Robert&#8217;s words on the morning of the surrender: &#8220;I surrender to you on conditions’</p>
  222.  
  223. <p>By the way three slaves and it appears in two cases free blacks who were with Lee and who he provided for after the war were Perry and William Parks along with Billy Taylor.
  224. <a href="https://americancivilwar.com/authors/Joseph_Ryan/Articles/General-Lee-Slaves/General-Lee-Family-Slaves.html" rel="nofollow">https://americancivilwar.com/authors/Joseph_Ryan/Articles/General-Lee-Slaves/General-Lee-Family-Slaves.html</a></p>
  225.  
  226. <p>Note: I think Lee might have fathered Mack as if you read Lees Will Nancy one of his slaves had a child named Mack.  I am trying to locate DNA to check that.</p>
  227.  
  228. <p>I only deal in facts.  Saying that please allow me to expand the subject matter of this conversation.</p>
  229.  
  230. <p>Many people lose to state Lee was anti slavery.They get that from “cherry picking” his 1858 letter to Mary.  If you read the entire letter:</p>
  231.  
  232. <p>The steamer also brought the President&#8217;s message to Cong; &amp; the reports of the various heads of Depts.; the proceedings of Cong: &amp;c &amp;c. So that we are now assured, that the Govt.: is in operation, &amp; the Union in existence, not that we had any fears to the Contrary, but it is Satisfactory always to have facts to go on. They restrain Supposition &amp; Conjecture, Confirm faith, &amp; bring Contentment: I was much pleased with the President&#8217;s message &amp; the report of the Secy of War, the only two documents that have reached us entire. Of the others synopsis [sic] have only arrived. The views of the Pres: of the Systematic &amp; progressive efforts of certain people of the North, to interfere with &amp; change the domestic institutions of the South, are truthfully &amp; faithfully expressed. The Consequences of their plans &amp; purposes are also clearly set forth, &amp; they must also be aware, that their object is both unlawful &amp; entirely foreign to them &amp; their duty; for which they are irresponsible &amp; unaccountable; &amp; Can only be accomplished by them through the agency of a Civil &amp; Servile war. In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral &amp; political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, &amp; while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially &amp; physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, &amp; I hope will prepare &amp; lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known &amp; ordered by a wise Merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild&amp; melting influence of Christianity, than the storms &amp; tempests of fiery Controversy. This influence though slow, is sure. The doctrines &amp; miracles of our Saviour have required nearly two thousand years, to Convert but a small part of the human race, &amp; even among Christian nations, what gross errors still exist! While we see the Course of the final abolition of human Slavery is onward, &amp; we give it the aid of our prayers &amp; all justifiable means in our power, we must leave the progress as well as the result in his hands who sees the end; who Chooses to work by slow influences; &amp; with whom two thousand years are but as a Single day. Although the Abolitionist must know this, &amp; must See that he has neither the right or power of operating except by moral means &amp; suasion, &amp; if he means well to the slave, he must not Create angry feelings in the Master; that although he may not approve the mode which it pleases Providence to accomplish its purposes, the result will nevertheless be the same; that the reasons he gives for interference in what he has no Concern, holds good for every kind of interference with our neighbors when we disapprove their Conduct; Still I fear he will persevere in his evil Course. Is it not strange that the descendants of those pilgrim fathers who Crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom of opinion, have always proved themselves intolerant of the Spiritual liberty of others?</p>
  233.  
  234. <p>&#8220;I was much pleased the with President&#8217;s message”. </p>
  235.  
  236. <p>Lee is agreeing with Davis and the Sect. of War, that people (abolitionists) in the North were trying to change the domestic institutions (slavery).  </p>
  237.  
  238. <p>The consequences of their plans and purposes are also clearly set forth. These people must be aware that their object is both unlawful and foreign to them and to their duty, and that this institution, for which they are irresponsible and non-accountable, can only be changed by them through the agency of a civil and servile war. (Here Lee argues the abolitionist actions are illegal and they trying to upset the institution of slavery which will lead to war).  </p>
  239.  
  240. <p>There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. (He is expressing concern as to how slavery had taken on the conditions, values the way of life for both North and the South;  how it was changing the country). While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. (Here he is using the argument of the White race to justify slavery arguing,  that blacks are better off here than they were in Africa). The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. (Lee is justifying both physical and mental discipline; and the need for blacks to change themselves to secure a better future). How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. (Lee is saying slaves are needed and it is unknown for how  long).Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influences of Christianity than from the storm and tempest of fiery controversy. (He is advocating that someday they may be freed but not by the abolitionist). This influence, though slow, is sure. The doctrines and miracles of our Saviour have required nearly two thousand years to convert but a small portion of the human race, and even among Christian nations what gross errors still exist! While we see the course of the final abolition of human slavery is still onward, and give it the aid of our prayers, let us leave the progress as well as the results in the hands of Him who, chooses to work by slow influences, and with whom a thousand years are but as a single day. (He is saying freedom may take a thousand years but that wait is justified).  Although the abolitionist must know this, must know that he has neither the right not the power of operating, except by moral means; that to benefit the slave he must not excite angry feelings in the master; that, although he may not approve the mode by which Providence accomplishes its purpose, the results will be the same; and that the reason he gives for interference in matters he has no concern with, holds good for every kind of interference with our neighbor, -still, I fear he will persevere in his evil course. . . .(Lee argues the abolitionist has no right to interfere with slavery as it upsets the master and that God condones slavery). Is it not strange that the descendants of those Pilgrim Fathers who crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom have always proved the most intolerant of the spiritual liberty of others?&#8221;  </p>
  241.  
  242. <p>While we are on a roll: Lee had no last words.  It is heavily reported that General Lees last words were &#8220;Tell Hill he must come up &#8230; Strike the tent&#8221;.  The one thing the yankee revisionist are correct about was our people embellishing the actions and words of our heroes.  There was no need as they were and are heroes!  Most people believe that Lee&#8217;s autobiographer, Douglas Southall Freeman embellished Lee&#8217;s final moments; inserting an expected statement from someone the nation had come to love and respect.  Lee suffered a stroke on September 28, 1870.  Dying two weeks later, on October 12, 1870, shortly after 9 a.m. from what was almost certainly pneumonia.  Lee&#8217;s stroke had resulted in aphasia, rendering him unable to speak.  The papers at the time interviewed the 4 attending physicians and the family all of who stated, &#8220;he had not spoken since 28 September&#8230;”  One might read Robert E. Lee: A Biography by Emory M. Thomas for the complete story.  According to Emory Thomas&#8217; &#8220;Robert E. Lee a Biography&#8221; (pages 412 to 413) the last words Lee uttered were at a vestry meeting on 28 September 1870 and were &#8220;I will give that sum&#8221;.  When he returned home he was unable to speak.  You were also correct about the family; both the family and physicians stated in interviews he had no last words and that he had not spoken.
  243. &#8220;But most of all those who watched and waited remembered the quiet, Mildred said it best-&#8220;his lips never uttered a sound!  The silence was awful!&#8221;</p>
  244.  
  245. <pre><code>Lee never said : “Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people designed to make of their victory, there would have been no surrender at Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me. Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomattox with my brave men, my sword in my right hand”.  Supposed made to Governor Fletcher S. Stockdale (September 1870), as quoted in The Life and Letters of Robert Lewis Dabney, pp. 497-500.
  246.  
  247. • However, every major researcher along with autobiographer, Douglas Southall Freeman; Shelby  
  248.   Dade Foote, Jr.; Bruce Catton; are but a few that consider the quote a myth and refuse
  249.  to recognize it.  “T. C. Johnson: Life and Letters of Robert Lewis Dabney, 498 ff. Doctor
  250.  Dabney was not present and received his account of the meeting from Governor  
  251.  Stockdale. The latter told Dabney that he was the last to leave the room, and that as he
  252.  was saying good-bye, Lee closed the door, thanked him for what he had said and
  253.  added: "Governor, if I had foreseen the use these people desired to make of their
  254.  victory, there would have been no surrender at Appomattox, no, sir, not by me. Had I
  255.  foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomattox with
  256.  my brave men, my sword in this right hand." This, of course, is second-hand testimony.
  257.  There is nothing in Lee's own writings and nothing in direct quotation by first-hand  
  258.  witness that accords with such an expression on his part. The nearest approach to it is
  259.  the claim by H. Gerald Smythe that "Major Talcott" — presumably Colonel T. M. R.
  260.  Talcott — told him Lee stated he would never have surrendered the army if he had
  261.  known how the South would have been treated. Mr. Smythe stated that Colonel Talcott
  262.  replied, "Well, General, you have only to blow the bugle," whereupon Lee is alleged to
  263.  have answered, "It is too late now" (29 Confederate Veteran, 7). Here again the
  264.  evidence is not direct. The writer of this biography, talking often with Colonel Talcott,
  265.  never heard him narrate this incident or suggest in any way that Lee accepted the
  266.  results of the radical policy otherwise than with indignation, yet in the belief that the
  267.  extremists would not always remain in office”.
  268. </code></pre>
  269.  
  270. <p>Lee never had Communion with a black at St Pauls” Church.  Google it I have a paper posted.</p>
  271.  
  272. <p>Lee never said “Do Your Duty in All Things…”.</p>
  273.  
  274. <p>The Forged Letter of Robert E. Lee</p>
  275.  
  276. <p>We have all seen and heard I have it on a print and inscribed here upon my desk “Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less”.  It comes from a letter Lee wrote to his son, G. W. Custis Lee (5 April 1852); and published in The New York Sun on (26 November 1864). While it was presumed authentic and included in many biographies of Lee, it was repudiated in December 1864 by University of Virginia law professor Charles A. Graves who verified that the letter was inconsistent with Lee&#8217;s biographical facts and letter-writing style. Lee&#8217;s son also wrote to Graves that he did not recall ever receiving such a letter.  Mr. Graves then conducted a thorough investigation and presented his findings at the 26th annual meeting of the Virginia State Bar Association 17:176 (1914) these finding which by the way are irrefutably can be found here: </p>
  277.  
  278. <p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=EMkDAQAAIAAJ&#038;pg=PA176#v=onepage&#038;q&#038;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=EMkDAQAAIAAJ&#038;pg=PA176#v=onepage&#038;q&#038;f=false</a></p>
  279.  
  280. <p>That is more than enough to show the man was human but not the villain the site claims.  I would suggest to anyone you should not judge anyone by “your” standards it varies by country, era, religion.  General was a great man and sadly cannot be respected by his own countrymen</p>
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  283. </entry>
  284. <entry>
  285. <title>Comment on Robert E. Lee owned slaves and defended slavery by Gary</title>
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  287.  
  288. <author>
  289. <name>Gary</name>
  290. </author>
  291.  
  292. <id>tag:radgeek.com,2005://geekery_today.20050103223731#comment-594688</id>
  293. <updated>2017-03-17T12:21:32Z</updated>
  294. <published>2017-03-17T12:21:32Z</published>
  295. <content type="html" xml:base="http://radgeek.com/gt/2005/01/03/robert-e-lee-owned-slaves-and-defended-slavery/#comment-594688"><![CDATA[<p>William Mack Lee was not a servant or slave to Lee but a flim-flam man collecting monies to open churches.  Everything he claims is a lie.</p>
  296. ]]></content>
  297. <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:radgeek.com,2005://geekery_today.20050103223731#comment-919" href="http://radgeek.com/gt/2005/01/03/robert-e-lee-owned-slaves-and-defended-slavery/#comment-919" type="text/html" />
  298. </entry>
  299. <entry>
  300. <title>Comment on Robert E. Lee owned slaves and defended slavery by Gary</title>
  301. <link rel="alternate" href="http://radgeek.com/gt/2005/01/03/robert-e-lee-owned-slaves-and-defended-slavery/#comment-594687" type="text/html" />
  302.  
  303. <author>
  304. <name>Gary</name>
  305. </author>
  306.  
  307. <id>tag:radgeek.com,2005://geekery_today.20050103223731#comment-594687</id>
  308. <updated>2017-03-17T12:19:56Z</updated>
  309. <published>2017-03-17T12:19:56Z</published>
  310. <content type="html" xml:base="http://radgeek.com/gt/2005/01/03/robert-e-lee-owned-slaves-and-defended-slavery/#comment-594687"><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t understand the rules of war may-be you should keep your opinions to yourself.  Blacks were considered property if they could not prove themselves &#8220;free&#8221; they were considered run away and arrested.</p>
  311. ]]></content>
  312. <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:radgeek.com,2005://geekery_today.20050103223731#comment-919" href="http://radgeek.com/gt/2005/01/03/robert-e-lee-owned-slaves-and-defended-slavery/#comment-919" type="text/html" />
  313. </entry>
  314. <entry>
  315. <title>Comment on Rad Geek Reader Questions: Herodotus of Halicarnassus by Rad Geek</title>
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  317.  
  318. <author>
  319. <name>Rad Geek</name>
  320. <uri>http://radgeek.com/</uri>
  321. </author>
  322.  
  323. <id>http://radgeek.com/?p=8742#comment-592927</id>
  324. <updated>2017-03-10T12:51:15Z</updated>
  325. <published>2017-03-10T12:51:15Z</published>
  326. <content type="html" xml:base="http://radgeek.com/gt/2017/03/10/rad-geek-reader-questions-herodotus-of-halicarnassus/#comment-592927"><![CDATA[<p>Facebook thread discussing the question is here: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/charles.w.johnson.2/posts/10158391408935584" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/charles.w.johnson.2/posts/10158391408935584</a></p>
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